New Holland LX565 engine replacement

[Straydog]

I've got a LX565 that has an engine with an unserviceable crank. I'm in Australia so I think its going to be virtually impossible to find another Shibaura N844 to put in so my intention is to find a diesel out of a car that is a similar capacity and adapt it to fit. I have a few questions though that someone may be able to answer: 1. It appears that the cooling fan on the original engine blows from the engine backward past the oil cooler/radiator to the outside. Can anyone confirm this? If so that's opposite to a conventional car engine cooling fan and would it be a problem if the new engine has a fan that sucks air past the radiator and oil cooler. It would mean hotter air is being blown over the oil cooler than if it is going the other way. 2. Diesel engines are a bit harder to get hold of than petrol engines. The problem with using a petrol engine would be how to set up a governor to maintain constant rpm. Is there a simple solution to do this or should I just stick to the idea of using a diesel?

 

[Tazza]

Is it just the crank that is bad? is the rest ok?
I remember my dad got some prices a while ago for a NH machine that he wanted me to look at. The crank was about 2,200 inc. I know its a LOT, but if the rest of the engine is ok, it will probably be cheaper than finding another diesel to drop in.
A diesel out of a truck/car won't work as a drop in. You need a govenor or an industrial diesel engine that has one already. In the USA Kubota diesels are easily bought, and pretty cheap too. Over here in OZ, we don't seem to have as many around, new you are looking at the 6k mark.
Petrol doesn't have the power down low like a diesel does, so you are spot on with sticking with diesel.

 

[Straydog]

Is it just the crank that is bad? is the rest ok?
I remember my dad got some prices a while ago for a NH machine that he wanted me to look at. The crank was about 2,200 inc. I know its a LOT, but if the rest of the engine is ok, it will probably be cheaper than finding another diesel to drop in.
A diesel out of a truck/car won't work as a drop in. You need a govenor or an industrial diesel engine that has one already. In the USA Kubota diesels are easily bought, and pretty cheap too. Over here in OZ, we don't seem to have as many around, new you are looking at the 6k mark.
Petrol doesn't have the power down low like a diesel does, so you are spot on with sticking with diesel.

I priced a crank form the New Holland dealer and it was over $4000. Even apart from the crank, the engine would need to be re-bored so I'm convinced I'm better off looking at an alternative. I have found that a Perkins 404D-22 is almost the same. I'm pretty sure the flywheel coupling and bell housing will bolt straight on but the front engine mounts will require some slight modification. My concern is that it looks like the machine has 10,400 hours on the clock and spending good money on a new engine might be risky with that many hours on the rest of it. I have no experience with skid steers though so I don't know much about the reliability and life expectancy of the hydro drives.

 

[Tazza]

I priced a crank form the New Holland dealer and it was over $4000. Even apart from the crank, the engine would need to be re-bored so I'm convinced I'm better off looking at an alternative. I have found that a Perkins 404D-22 is almost the same. I'm pretty sure the flywheel coupling and bell housing will bolt straight on but the front engine mounts will require some slight modification. My concern is that it looks like the machine has 10,400 hours on the clock and spending good money on a new engine might be risky with that many hours on the rest of it. I have no experience with skid steers though so I don't know much about the reliability and life expectancy of the hydro drives.

Its possible the ignition was left on allowing it to tick over, so the hours may not be right. The hydro drives, if maintained can last far more than 10,400 hours. There was a member on here that had a 743 from new, i think it had 3 engines in its life and more than 10,000 hours up.
The way i look at it is, it should have been working up to the time the engine carked it. So there is a good chance the hydros are still good.
Is there any where you can find a used perkins? you really don't want to buy new, even if you knew the drive/hydraulics were still good. It would possibly exceed what the unit is worth.

 

[Straydog]

Its possible the ignition was left on allowing it to tick over, so the hours may not be right. The hydro drives, if maintained can last far more than 10,400 hours. There was a member on here that had a 743 from new, i think it had 3 engines in its life and more than 10,000 hours up.
The way i look at it is, it should have been working up to the time the engine carked it. So there is a good chance the hydros are still good.
Is there any where you can find a used perkins? you really don't want to buy new, even if you knew the drive/hydraulics were still good. It would possibly exceed what the unit is worth.

Yes, a used Perkins engine would be great if I could find one. I've been looking but the only ones I've seen are at a salvage yard and they are charging 2/3 the price of a brand new one with no indication of what condition they are in and no warranty whatsoever.

 

[Tazza]

Yes, a used Perkins engine would be great if I could find one. I've been looking but the only ones I've seen are at a salvage yard and they are charging 2/3 the price of a brand new one with no indication of what condition they are in and no warranty whatsoever.

That's a bit harsh. If you knew the history and had a warranty, sure, but you have no idea if its been dusted, or cooked.
Not sure what other options you have, stationary diesels are always expensive, you can get one out of a car pretty cheap, but they don't have a govenor...

 

[skidsteer.ca]

That's a bit harsh. If you knew the history and had a warranty, sure, but you have no idea if its been dusted, or cooked.
Not sure what other options you have, stationary diesels are always expensive, you can get one out of a car pretty cheap, but they don't have a govenor...

I had heard of someone putting a 2203 Kubota in one but could not get any details on the swap. Think it would be a good choice, much easier to work on as far as finding parts.
Messicks is $1883 in the US for that crank, wow, pretty rich

 

[Gazza]

I had heard of someone putting a 2203 Kubota in one but could not get any details on the swap. Think it would be a good choice, much easier to work on as far as finding parts.
Messicks is $1883 in the US for that crank, wow, pretty rich

Hi Straydog, any news on an engine rebuild/replacement. Where in Australia are you from cheers Gazza

 

[Straydog]

Hi Straydog, any news on an engine rebuild/replacement. Where in Australia are you from cheers Gazza

Hi Gazza, haven't found anything yet. Beginning to think it might not be possible to find anything second hand and cheap that will do the job. I'm not in any great hurry though so I'm sitting back and waiting to see if anything comes along. If nothing comes up, I will have to decide if its worth buying a new engine or just try to sell it as is and hopefully get my money back. BTW, I'm in Perth.

 

[Tazza]

Hi Gazza, haven't found anything yet. Beginning to think it might not be possible to find anything second hand and cheap that will do the job. I'm not in any great hurry though so I'm sitting back and waiting to see if anything comes along. If nothing comes up, I will have to decide if its worth buying a new engine or just try to sell it as is and hopefully get my money back. BTW, I'm in Perth.

Its a shame parts are so expensive over here. Even a good used Kubota isn't cheap. Every so often a cheap one comes up, but not often.

 

[skidsteer.ca]

Its a shame parts are so expensive over here. Even a good used Kubota isn't cheap. Every so often a cheap one comes up, but not often.

The only resonable diesel over here are the 6bt cummins as dodge used them in 3/4 ton pickups from 91 on and many of those engines out lasted the pickups.
By the sounds of the market over there purchasing a new engine for a old machine would not be a a big mistake. You keep hour and maintenace records and you will always be able to sell the engine again for a good dollar. especially if you can demonstrate it runs well.
I hate those junk yard where they pull the motors out, wash and paint them and want to sell them with no warranty. Wouldn't touch that with a ten ft pole. Stand behind it or keep it, especially fr 2/3 or new, no contest imo there.
Ken

 

[Straydog]

The only resonable diesel over here are the 6bt cummins as dodge used them in 3/4 ton pickups from 91 on and many of those engines out lasted the pickups.
By the sounds of the market over there purchasing a new engine for a old machine would not be a a big mistake. You keep hour and maintenace records and you will always be able to sell the engine again for a good dollar. especially if you can demonstrate it runs well.
I hate those junk yard where they pull the motors out, wash and paint them and want to sell them with no warranty. Wouldn't touch that with a ten ft pole. Stand behind it or keep it, especially fr 2/3 or new, no contest imo there.
Ken

Finally purchased a used 104-22 Perkins diesel. Unfortunately the bell housing from my engine doesn't bolt directly on to this engine but I think this is as close as I'm going to get so will just have to do some adapting. Still a long way from up and running but 1 step closer.....

 

[Tazza]

Finally purchased a used 104-22 Perkins diesel. Unfortunately the bell housing from my engine doesn't bolt directly on to this engine but I think this is as close as I'm going to get so will just have to do some adapting. Still a long way from up and running but 1 step closer.....

Glad it's closer, at least you have the engine. I'm sure mounts and brackets can be fabricated to get it to bolt up.
I hope you are taking pictures

 

[skidsteer.ca]

Glad it's closer, at least you have the engine. I'm sure mounts and brackets can be fabricated to get it to bolt up.
I hope you are taking pictures

Yes keep us posted on the details. We love pictures!