Aux Hydraulics not working

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Onyxfarms

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1990,, 91or 92, 753 Bobcat with BOSS control. I installed a new Aux Control Module from Bobcat. When done, I could tell the solenoids were working but I did not have the grapple on to test the system. After connecting the grapple, I still do not have correct flow and pressure like I should. My drive motors, lift and tilt are working fine and have plenty of power. I did a check to make sure the cylinders on my grapple were not leaking past the packing, and it was good. I could disconnect the quick connections from the bobcat with the retracted or extended, and the cylinder is hard locked and will not move up or down. I did this for both cylinders in case one was blown causing a blow by issue. My grapple cylinders are in good condition. I also checked to see if I got fluid flow from each hose when I triggered the buttons on the handle, very quickly, and both hoses shot fluid at high pressure for 15+ feet. I have not done a pressure test yet, as I don't have a hose and flow control valve set up, and I am pretty sure Bobcat won't rent theirs…lol
Given how my lift, tilt and drive work, I don't think my issue is with my pump. I think it is a valving issue.
For my first test, I isolated the system by connecting the hoses from the quick connect direct to only one cylinder and here is what I observed.
When I connected the bottom connector on the Bobcat to the top of the cylinder, I could actuate it up and down, although it did so very slowly, and with the button not actuated, it seemed to drift down. I could even push it down manually by just putting weight on it. Then I reversed the connectors on the cylinder, and it would not move. The hose would energize, and you could see them flex, but the cylinder would not move.
I have two ideals, and I am looking for help or input on a direction. (See Videos One works and one doesn't work)
1. The rear auxiliary valve has two check valves that probably have to work together to allow one side to release while the other one holds pressure based on which solenoid is energized for the auxiliary circuit on the main hydraulic control valve body. One of those check valves may be blocked or bad. (Ref Items #4 on Rear Auxiliary Valve Diagram) Check Valve-6664212 - $158ea +tax
2. The Solenoid valves or Spool in the main hydraulic control valve body. Maybe they are stuck or clogged? Solenoid Vale- 6653395 – $505ea.+tax
I am open to any input on what I should look at next.
Thanks
 
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The rear aux check valves x3 look all the same. Swap and look for change of function/symptom.
If the rear solenoid valve is same as the ones on the spool valve, perhaps swap also and look for change of symptom.
Those are too pricey to use the parts cannon for a fix.
If they ohm ok…(8.8ohm)….could still be stuck like you say.
 
To help anyone with this issue here is my update.
I have achieved 90% operations. I will explain.
I will start with the finding of the problem.
I removed the Rear Aux Hydraulic Valve and pulled all the components for inspection.
Primarily item 4 and 5 of the parts diagram
From the pictures, you can see the seals/O-rings are bad.
I was able to use the part numbers stamped on the parts to look up the Parker Hannifin part info, and get O-ring data.
For those who don't have time to look or worry about cost you can get the O-ring Kits from Bobcat.
Bobcat 6653487 Seal kit = $39.00 x 3 = $117.00
Bobcat 6653485 Seal kit = $98.00 x 2 = $294.00
Total = $313.00
I reversed engineered the Parker Number for the individual O-rings.
I live in the Houston TX area, and we have several O-ring companies due to the manufacturing base and oil & Gas industries.
I sourced all Viton O-rings from a local supplier at an average of $3.00 per valve or $15.00 total.
I will add $20 for travel to the supplier on the other side of town, and it is Houston if you know you know...lol
So I have $35 in parts with my repair and research time, and as I am now retired, that is free...lol
Now to discuss the 90/10 statement.
Everything works as required when the solenoid on the Rear Aux Valve Body is "UNPLUGGED".
When it is plugged in, I do not get any movement. Why????
I think the spool for that section is stuck and the coil is energized for operation and it shorted somewhere.
I did not pull that spool and look at seals, my mistake.
I start this search as I move forward, as this may affect the Hydraulics locking on for use for brush hog or backhoe.
Issue to be investigated and I will report my findings.
I would like to thank the Markle for his help, as it is always nice to run ideals across this Forum.
Thanks
 

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