LX865 simplified wiring... ?

[John T]

Hypothetical question here....

I haven't got the machine to the house yet but I was told there is issues with the starter(s) dying premature deaths... also keyswitch/wiring problems...
Just thinking out loud here but, IF I can't get it sorted or it turns into an expensive circuit board replacement....

Is it possible to rewire this skid steer in a simplified fashion?
Keyswitch / wiring to the starter with appropriate relays etc. and a separate wiring harness for lights etc.

I'm new to skid steers but it seems to me they are basically an Engine driving a hydraulic pump and the controls directing the flow to the wheels/boom/curl
Is this a possibility?
Also, before I get scolded, I am not against safety features and a seatbelt/seat switch can easily be wired into a simple harness.

Thoughts?

 

[mrbb]

well, just to add things, on starters and key switches
a lot of these things are sadly made in china, which I am sure isn't helping for long life
also, MY lx 865 is mostly used for plowing snow, and as such that means in cold weather, and from my experience since owning this skid steer, its NOT a cold weather hap;y machine, even using a magnet oil pan and a battery blanket heater, it struggles to start in temps below 35 degree's
which makes the starter work really hard to try and turn things over
which I guess is also what is killing starters on things for me!

I know in other makes models, they some times have Options, for lower gear starters to help in cold weather start conditions
however I have not been able to find a lower gear starter for this model and I did spend time looking

I have a block heater plug for it, but haven't had time to install yet(been 6 yrs now since I got it too, just always other things needed doing )

this yr hoping to get that in stalled,a s I think that should help more with cold starting and may add yrs to starters life

key switches??
I have 23 extras on hand(got a deal on a batch of three of them)
there fast easy to swap out if needed, but they too could be failing I guess from having to have them on for long periods to get started, that or again, they all seem to be made in china(even OEM part made ones) as these three I got now came from NH directly! and made in china,

as for replacing or going arround using the dash on things,
I THINK a while back someone on this site sort of did that, or found a way to fit other dashes to like models

I imagine anything could be done with enough time and skill to do so,
but would it be worth while to do?

there are always salvage yards and used parts, maybe not cheap, but who know's on what one can find sometimes too?
as these machines age, more will be in scrap yards and parted out, so prices should maybe come arround
only thing on mine that dopesn't work is the HR meter, or should say works right, it adds time then looses time at random, , done so since I got it, , doesn't effect running, so I ignore it
and base PM"s off time(guesstimating) and use I put on it , if working it hard on something I change fluids/filters sooner,like I do on everything else! hours to me are just a reference to go by and not a set rule

 

[Shanmar]

So, I don't think the safety/control boards would cause repeated starter failures. The main hot wire runs straight from the battery to the starter. The "trigger" wire to the starter comes from a start relay whose power comes from the same hot main terminal on the starter. The relay is switching the power and the relay is controlled by the safety/control circuit.
Maybe check battery and ground wires for good connection/corrosion. One time I had to replace what looked like a good cable but it must have had corrosion in the molded on or crimped on ends that couldn't be seen.

 

[John T]

So, I don't think the safety/control boards would cause repeated starter failures. The main hot wire runs straight from the battery to the starter. The "trigger" wire to the starter comes from a start relay whose power comes from the same hot main terminal on the starter. The relay is switching the power and the relay is controlled by the safety/control circuit.
Maybe check battery and ground wires for good connection/corrosion. One time I had to replace what looked like a good cable but it must have had corrosion in the molded on or crimped on ends that couldn't be seen.

good info thanks

 

[jimsdog]

Hypothetical question here....

I haven't got the machine to the house yet but I was told there is issues with the starter(s) dying premature deaths... also keyswitch/wiring problems...
Just thinking out loud here but, IF I can't get it sorted or it turns into an expensive circuit board replacement....

Is it possible to rewire this skid steer in a simplified fashion?
Keyswitch / wiring to the starter with appropriate relays etc. and a separate wiring harness for lights etc.

I'm new to skid steers but it seems to me they are basically an Engine driving a hydraulic pump and the controls directing the flow to the wheels/boom/curl
Is this a possibility?
Also, before I get scolded, I am not against safety features and a seatbelt/seat switch can easily be wired into a simple harness.

Thoughts?

I have a LS and they are hard on the starter relays. Some times not disengaging. Bought a new relay for a snowplow that was rated for 100 amps the new Holland relays on the LS is rated for 80-amp. No problems since.

 

[John T]

So, I don't think the safety/control boards would cause repeated starter failures. The main hot wire runs straight from the battery to the starter. The "trigger" wire to the starter comes from a start relay whose power comes from the same hot main terminal on the starter. The relay is switching the power and the relay is controlled by the safety/control circuit.
Maybe check battery and ground wires for good connection/corrosion. One time I had to replace what looked like a good cable but it must have had corrosion in the molded on or crimped on ends that couldn't be seen.

previous owner has the safety switches wired to a toggle switch...

when I turn the key, I hear a click... but no start.
I'm alone here so it's hard to tell which relay the click is coming from... OR if the click is coming from the solenoid on the starter....
do you know which of these relays are the starter? and what is the other one?

. guy said the starter is not old.... looks new.

but If I have to replace it I will also replace the relay... with a heavy duty relay.

... I'm happy I got a click at least... LOL!


I do plan to wire the seat switch correctly by the time I'm done.... belt also

 

[John T]

OK,
ima go ahead and answer my own question.
The starter relay is on the bottom left. top wire white/red strip is the starter trigger wire
bottom wire is hot. ALWAYS

I jumped the relay, gave the starter a wack with a small hammer and the solenoid clicked and tried to turn....
but didn't spin.

guess I'll order a starter... ? Not sure if I can get just the solenoid...

 

[jimsdog]

previous owner has the safety switches wired to a toggle switch...

when I turn the key, I hear a click... but no start.
I'm alone here so it's hard to tell which relay the click is coming from... OR if the click is coming from the solenoid on the starter....
do you know which of these relays are the starter? and what is the other one?

. guy said the starter is not old.... looks new.

but If I have to replace it I will also replace the relay... with a heavy duty relay.

... I'm happy I got a click at least... LOL!


I do plan to wire the seat switch correctly by the time I'm done.... belt also

I just repaired a LS ,160 found cable end on the starter that was not making good connection (bad crip) soldered and all good now.

 

[st0ck1ng]

Hypothetical question here....

I haven't got the machine to the house yet but I was told there is issues with the starter(s) dying premature deaths... also keyswitch/wiring problems...
Just thinking out loud here but, IF I can't get it sorted or it turns into an expensive circuit board replacement....

Is it possible to rewire this skid steer in a simplified fashion?
Keyswitch / wiring to the starter with appropriate relays etc. and a separate wiring harness for lights etc.

I'm new to skid steers but it seems to me they are basically an Engine driving a hydraulic pump and the controls directing the flow to the wheels/boom/curl
Is this a possibility?
Also, before I get scolded, I am not against safety features and a seatbelt/seat switch can easily be wired into a simple harness.

Thoughts?

Different model, but similar problem.

This is how I went around my "control module" and maintained 90% of the safeties. However, you will have to verify the voltage required to operate your machines solenoids, etc.



Good luck.

 

[John T]

Different model, but similar problem.

This is how I went around my "control module" and maintained 90% of the safeties. However, you will have to verify the voltage required to operate your machines solenoids, etc.



Good luck.

thanks I will check that out.