Frame Assy (Coupling System) Replacement 404599A5

[Kanman]

bushings on dump circuit are shot. The rods have bushings, frame assembly side does not. Shop is saying 50/50 chance that bushing replacement on Rod would be successful anyways. Shop just wants to replace entire Frame Assembly which costs around $1500. Not including cost of rebuilding dump Rod and cylinder rebuild and all the other stuff that goes along with. Or... Just buy a whole new dump Rod x2. Im looking at a $4500+ bill if i follow their advice. I gotta wonder if a machine shop could build up and make new bores for a whole lot less money. or simply a thicker bushing turned to the correct diameter? It's driving me nuts that $100 worth of simple bushings could cost me $4k I could really use some advice here.

 

[jerry]

Can you post a picture of the tilt linkage? Does yours have the linkage up on the boom arms instead of having the tilt cylinders directly attached to the quick attach plate? There are few bushings on these things that cant be replaced without the frame being replaced but if you have it done in a shop it wont be cheap. Reseal the cylinders , replace any bushings you can easily and see if you can live with the worn ones.

 

[Gearclash]

Can you post a picture of the tilt linkage? Does yours have the linkage up on the boom arms instead of having the tilt cylinders directly attached to the quick attach plate? There are few bushings on these things that cant be replaced without the frame being replaced but if you have it done in a shop it wont be cheap. Reseal the cylinders , replace any bushings you can easily and see if you can live with the worn ones.

I believe the OP has a 410. That would be a simple radius arm loader, no extra linkages. I'm having a hard time following this. There are bushings on the attachment coupler that are worn? Where? Wear on the cylinder side I can understand. There should be bushings in the rod end, and they can be replaced, but if the attachment plate pins wore through the bushings and into the parent metal of the rod end then replacing the bushings might not work. Please give some more details. $4500 sounds like way too much money.

 

[Gearclash]

I believe the OP has a 410. That would be a simple radius arm loader, no extra linkages. I'm having a hard time following this. There are bushings on the attachment coupler that are worn? Where? Wear on the cylinder side I can understand. There should be bushings in the rod end, and they can be replaced, but if the attachment plate pins wore through the bushings and into the parent metal of the rod end then replacing the bushings might not work. Please give some more details. $4500 sounds like way too much money.

Looked up the Case parts. New tilt cylinder $555.56 ea. Reman $412.00 ea. Pins that attach the coupler to the arms and tilt cylinders $94.80 ea. New frame $1573.00 as you said. If you must replace the coupler frame I would contact River Valley Machine of Dubuque IA and see if they make a direct fit coupler for the 400 series. I bought a semi finished coupler from them to retrofit an older machine, and it is a knock off of the 400 series plate, made using parts identical to Case's. My cost was less than $400.

 

[Kanman]

Looked up the Case parts. New tilt cylinder $555.56 ea. Reman $412.00 ea. Pins that attach the coupler to the arms and tilt cylinders $94.80 ea. New frame $1573.00 as you said. If you must replace the coupler frame I would contact River Valley Machine of Dubuque IA and see if they make a direct fit coupler for the 400 series. I bought a semi finished coupler from them to retrofit an older machine, and it is a knock off of the 400 series plate, made using parts identical to Case's. My cost was less than $400.

Sorry, machine is a 410. I typed original post on my tiny phone lol. http://postimg.org/image/ry3tak3a5/ Not having much luck posting an image w/ my ipad on this site. Best I can do is post the hosted link so you can copy and past to a browser window. I'll try again on my home PC later w/ Internet Explorer as site Mod suggests. Maybe they could also tell me why my paragraphs / line breaks are all deleted and my entire posts runs into one big glob of text? Frustrating! Follow item 15 (Zerk) to pin location in image. The Rod has bushings, attatchment plate does not. My dealership claims it is rare for the bushing replacement to be successful. In other words, they are pushing to sell me a new Rod for for $500+ each. Although one of the bushings has a small chunk missing (I think somebody attempted to remove bushing prior to my ownership) the bushings are still round and intact, not worn through. The attatchment plate has no bushings, but is very sloppy now. I'll check out the River Valley guys (thank you) glad to hear there may be a reasonably price alternative for me. I about had a heart attack when I seen the estimate was over $4K.

 

[Gearclash]

Sorry, machine is a 410. I typed original post on my tiny phone lol. http://postimg.org/image/ry3tak3a5/ Not having much luck posting an image w/ my ipad on this site. Best I can do is post the hosted link so you can copy and past to a browser window. I'll try again on my home PC later w/ Internet Explorer as site Mod suggests. Maybe they could also tell me why my paragraphs / line breaks are all deleted and my entire posts runs into one big glob of text? Frustrating! Follow item 15 (Zerk) to pin location in image. The Rod has bushings, attatchment plate does not. My dealership claims it is rare for the bushing replacement to be successful. In other words, they are pushing to sell me a new Rod for for $500+ each. Although one of the bushings has a small chunk missing (I think somebody attempted to remove bushing prior to my ownership) the bushings are still round and intact, not worn through. The attatchment plate has no bushings, but is very sloppy now. I'll check out the River Valley guys (thank you) glad to hear there may be a reasonably price alternative for me. I about had a heart attack when I seen the estimate was over $4K.

I took a good look at the 420 that I operate and I must retract some of my skepticism about wear on the attachment bushings. It would surprise me a little to hear of wear on the tilt cylinder pin bushings on the attachment plate as they are pretty long. On the other hand, the arm pivot bushings are shorter than I think they should be, and I can see where they could get worn. If I were in your situation, this is what I would try. Replace the rod end bushings. I can see no reason for that to be unsuccessful. Get 4 new pins, or have a machine shop make them. They can be made from cold rolled steel. For the attachment frame, if the only concern is the bushings, I would either bore and sleeve the existing bushing or take a plasma cutter and flush the welds out that hold them on and weld new ones on. I would make the arm pivot bushings longer where possible.