I have a 4-in-1 bucket and a brush grapple. I use a hose routing D-ring with both, but when I got the hoses, I intentionally got them long enough to route down from the bucket/grapple to where the lower bobtach pivot point is, then back up to the connectors on the Bobcat lift arms. That way, the hoses are never stretched and are always out of the way. I made my own routing D-ring out of a piece of 2" x8" x 1/4" steel, then welded on a couple of old u-bolts. That gives me enough room to route the hoses and connectors through them, and keeps them away from the wheel. Simple, but I think it took me a couple of tries to get it where I liked it. I duplicated the setup for my T180 also (does that make me duplicitous?) I could never get the hoses to behave themselves without resorting to this arrangement. I've lifted several stumps now with my hoses, before I went to this routing arrangement. Current score: Stumps: 3; hoses 0.

---RC