Info on the 725S hoe

[gopal]

Finally (for those of you who read my previous post and helped me come to this conclusion, all my gratitude) I will opt for changing my backhoe and I would be grateful for some advice and info: which model is the latest 607 or 725S, is there anyone that owns a 725S that could give me a little feed back, any links to a site with photos of the 725S, etc?

 

[gopal]

Sorry i meant the 607 and not 706.

 

[soutthpaw]

Sorry i meant the 607 and not 706.

Are you in Europe? I believe they are both current models in different reigons. I have not seen that 725 in the USA here is a link to bobcat's brochure on backhoes http://www.bobcat.eu/assets/importe...aflet_EN_B8BB4605A8B344F0B879C3CD53119DE1.pdf
In cab with side shift controls interesting
here is the 607 specs from Bobcat USA http://www.bobcat.com/attachments/specs/backhoe
my guess is that lots of places in Europe have much more limited space to operate and that would be the reason for the sideshift???
there is the convenience of in cab control but you have a much better view of what you are digging with the 607 esp if you are digging 7 ft deep.... are you buying new or used??

 

[skidsteer.ca]

Are you in Europe? I believe they are both current models in different reigons. I have not seen that 725 in the USA here is a link to bobcat's brochure on backhoes http://www.bobcat.eu/assets/imported/transformations/Backhoes-Leaflet_EN_B8BB4605A8B344F0B879C3CD53119DE1.pdf
In cab with side shift controls interesting
here is the 607 specs from Bobcat USA http://www.bobcat.com/attachments/specs/backhoe
my guess is that lots of places in Europe have much more limited space to operate and that would be the reason for the sideshift???
there is the convenience of in cab control but you have a much better view of what you are digging with the 607 esp if you are digging 7 ft deep.... are you buying new or used??

Most here buy the 709 as it has 22" more reach then the 607 and fits all the same machines.
Ken

 

[soutthpaw]

Most here buy the 709 as it has 22" more reach then the 607 and fits all the same machines.
Ken

I agree with Ken about the 709 too.

 

[TriHonu]

Are you in Europe? I believe they are both current models in different reigons. I have not seen that 725 in the USA here is a link to bobcat's brochure on backhoes http://www.bobcat.eu/assets/imported/transformations/Backhoes-Leaflet_EN_B8BB4605A8B344F0B879C3CD53119DE1.pdf
In cab with side shift controls interesting
here is the 607 specs from Bobcat USA http://www.bobcat.com/attachments/specs/backhoe
my guess is that lots of places in Europe have much more limited space to operate and that would be the reason for the sideshift???
there is the convenience of in cab control but you have a much better view of what you are digging with the 607 esp if you are digging 7 ft deep.... are you buying new or used??

Quote: southpaw - I have not seen that 725 in the USA here is a link to bobcat's brochure on backhoes Backhoes-Leaflet.pdf

Did anyone else notice anything different with the configuration of the backhoe's in that brochure? It took me a few moments to realize those hoes are run from the loaders seat. Not a great view down-hole.
As far as I've seen, Bobcat does not offer these models in the US.
For my uses, I want a hoe with the most reach and breakout force that can be handled by the loader. You just waste time using anything less.

 

[soutthpaw]

Quote:
southpaw - I have not seen that 725 in the USA here is a link to bobcat's brochure on backhoes Backhoes-Leaflet.pdf


Did anyone else notice anything different with the configuration of the backhoe's in that brochure? It took me a few moments to realize those hoes are run from the loaders seat. Not a great view down-hole.
As far as I've seen, Bobcat does not offer these models in the US.
For my uses, I want a hoe with the most reach and breakout force that can be handled by the loader. You just waste time using anything less.

Here is a couple of Pics I found of the 725 R30s etc non USA backhoes . definitely looks as if the view down into the hole is limited the more I look at these pictures it seems quite inconvinent if you need to get on and off the backhoe attachment a lot.... having to climb in and out of the cab every time would suck.... I do like the side shift feature though.
http://web.agroweb.cz/obrazky/inz_297026.JPG
http://www.mcsmaquinaria.com/archivo/noticias/1200570156_PIC_0046.JPG
In the link below you can see that the pic on the left with the side shift hoe that there is no way the operator can see the area where the bucket teeth are digging.. also a pic of the baby hoe on a 463
http://www.tucsonbobcat.com/Mini_Backhoe.php

 

[skidsteer.ca]

Here is a couple of Pics I found of the 725 R30s etc non USA backhoes . definitely looks as if the view down into the hole is limited the more I look at these pictures it seems quite inconvinent if you need to get on and off the backhoe attachment a lot.... having to climb in and out of the cab every time would suck.... I do like the side shift feature though.
http://web.agroweb.cz/obrazky/inz_297026.JPG
http://www.mcsmaquinaria.com/archivo/noticias/1200570156_PIC_0046.JPG
In the link below you can see that the pic on the left with the side shift hoe that there is no way the operator can see the area where the bucket teeth are digging.. also a pic of the baby hoe on a 463
http://www.tucsonbobcat.com/Mini_Backhoe.php

Yes I seen that too. Cat offers "seat in the cab" style hoes here, I have never used one, but visibility must be a bit of a problem imo. The only advantage I could see to this design is it would be easier to reposition the loader. Fortunately with the current Bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoes seat to reposition.
Bobcat must have a European (?) manufacturer for those unit as I have never seen one here either.
Also in this pic

Notice how it has the bracket to steady the hoe is welded to the boom and does not have the "side hooks" used on the 709 and other North American hoes.
Where is that site from? I apologize, my second language skills are non existent.
Ken

 

[soutthpaw]

Yes I seen that too. Cat offers "seat in the cab" style hoes here, I have never used one, but visibility must be a bit of a problem imo. The only advantage I could see to this design is it would be easier to reposition the loader. Fortunately with the current Bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoes seat to reposition.
Bobcat must have a European (?) manufacturer for those unit as I have never seen one here either.
Also in this pic
Notice how it has the bracket to steady the hoe is welded to the boom and does not have the "side hooks" used on the 709 and other North American hoes.
Where is that site from? I apologize, my second language skills are non existent.
Ken

Yeah looked at the Cat website and their backhoe is limited to 8ft deep. I don't think they sell many on them.... never seen one being used. When I was in the UK last summer I saw dozens of mini ex's but no skid steers... only a few TLB's too. you also have limited visibility to the side if you are dumping or digging at right angles to the machine. looks like most of those buckets are smooth rather than toothed too!

 

[TriHonu]

Yeah looked at the Cat website and their backhoe is limited to 8ft deep. I don't think they sell many on them.... never seen one being used. When I was in the UK last summer I saw dozens of mini ex's but no skid steers... only a few TLB's too. you also have limited visibility to the side if you are dumping or digging at right angles to the machine. looks like most of those buckets are smooth rather than toothed too!

Yea, I've sat in the Cat and Scat Trak (Volvo) skids with their backhoes at the auctions. No digging time just basic function check. I was not impressed with the view or controls locations. However, the ability to side-shift the hoe could be handy in certain situations.
I should have bought the Scat Trak. Sold for $9000 with the hoe, steel tracks and 1100 hours. I could have made some money on a quick resale.

 

[soutthpaw]

Yea, I've sat in the Cat and Scat Trak (Volvo) skids with their backhoes at the auctions. No digging time just basic function check. I was not impressed with the view or controls locations. However, the ability to side-shift the hoe could be handy in certain situations.
I should have bought the Scat Trak. Sold for $9000 with the hoe, steel tracks and 1100 hours. I could have made some money on a quick resale.

as far as resale goes, a recent auction I was at, a pratically brand new bradco 509 backhoe attachment sold for $3000 yet a well used Bobcat 8709 sold for $3500... definitely says something for the brand for sure

 

[TriHonu]

as far as resale goes, a recent auction I was at, a pratically brand new bradco 509 backhoe attachment sold for $3000 yet a well used Bobcat 8709 sold for $3500... definitely says something for the brand for sure

I have a Bradco 609 hoe. It has the same dig depth (9 ft) as the 509. It is the heavy duty unit with larger hydraulic cylinders and much more breakout force. I like it.
The Bradco hoe's will mount to just about any skidsteer, 3-point or truck. They have a bolt on mount on the attachment and a matching loader side mount for the different machines. If that hoe had no mount, or didn't have the mount for your machine it can get pricey. I bought mine and it had a mount for a Case 1845. The Bradco mount (both attachment and loader sides) for my 763 was about $1200 USD. The mounts are not labeled with what they fit. You have to research the part numbers.
I decided to get out the tools and with $50 worth of steel and some time modified the Case attachment mount and made my own loader side mounts.

 

[skidsteer.ca]

as far as resale goes, a recent auction I was at, a pratically brand new bradco 509 backhoe attachment sold for $3000 yet a well used Bobcat 8709 sold for $3500... definitely says something for the brand for sure

People will pay more for white paint if its skidsteer. Green if its a tractor. I guess the 8709 is a larger hoe, but depends how used it is I guess. It is definitely a plus to be able to swap the mounts. I still don't like how my 709 is just 2" to narrow to clear the boom on my NH. With a bradco I could just change the mount
Actually what I would really like is a Deere 911 extender with verticle stabilizers, a thumb and side shift. One can dream right?
Ken

 

[gopal]

Here is a couple of Pics I found of the 725 R30s etc non USA backhoes . definitely looks as if the view down into the hole is limited the more I look at these pictures it seems quite inconvinent if you need to get on and off the backhoe attachment a lot.... having to climb in and out of the cab every time would suck.... I do like the side shift feature though.
http://web.agroweb.cz/obrazky/inz_297026.JPG
http://www.mcsmaquinaria.com/archivo/noticias/1200570156_PIC_0046.JPG
In the link below you can see that the pic on the left with the side shift hoe that there is no way the operator can see the area where the bucket teeth are digging.. also a pic of the baby hoe on a 463
http://www.tucsonbobcat.com/Mini_Backhoe.php

You guys a just great! Many thanks for all the info. I am Suisse but I live in India ( by the way if ever any of you come to this part of the world drinks and food are on me, serious ), I would rather go in for a second hand but out here bobcat is relatively new so I don't have much of a choice . I fully agree on your observations of the pros and cons of the two models. 90% of my bobcat work is digging 1 cubic meter holes for tree planting and trenches so I have to move the bobcat often, also, the neighboring park has an s130 with r30s Backhoe and after having tried to move around with it I found that it is difficult to travel with it (I often do 6, 7 km with it to get to my work). Because of its weight (840kg as opposed to the 725s hoe that is at 605 kg) it just keeps tipping.

Skidsteer, you say that with the current bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoe seat, how do you do that?

 

[gopal]

You guys a just great! Many thanks for all the info. I am Suisse but I live in India ( by the way if ever any of you come to this part of the world drinks and food are on me, serious ), I would rather go in for a second hand but out here bobcat is relatively new so I don't have much of a choice . I fully agree on your observations of the pros and cons of the two models. 90% of my bobcat work is digging 1 cubic meter holes for tree planting and trenches so I have to move the bobcat often, also, the neighboring park has an s130 with r30s Backhoe and after having tried to move around with it I found that it is difficult to travel with it (I often do 6, 7 km with it to get to my work). Because of its weight (840kg as opposed to the 725s hoe that is at 605 kg) it just keeps tipping.

Skidsteer, you say that with the current bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoe seat, how do you do that?

sorry for the small font , i dont know how that happened, will try again
You guys are just great! Many thanks for all the info. I am Suisse but I live in India ( by the way if ever any of you come to this part of the world drinks and food are on me, serious ), I would rather go in for a second hand but out here bobcat is relatively new so I don't have much of a choice . I fully agree on your observations of the pros and cons of the two models. 90% of my bobcat work is digging 1 cubic meter holes for tree planting and trenches so I have to move the bobcat often, also, the neighboring park has an s130 with r30s Backhoe and after having tried to move around with it I found that it is difficult to travel with it (I often do 6, 7 km with it to get to my work). Because of its weight (840kg as opposed to the 725s hoe that is at 605 kg) it just keeps tipping.

Skidsteer, you say that with the current bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoe seat, how do you do that?

 

[skidsteer.ca]

sorry for the small font , i dont know how that happened, will try again
You guys are just great! Many thanks for all the info. I am Suisse but I live in India ( by the way if ever any of you come to this part of the world drinks and food are on me, serious ), I would rather go in for a second hand but out here bobcat is relatively new so I don't have much of a choice . I fully agree on your observations of the pros and cons of the two models. 90% of my bobcat work is digging 1 cubic meter holes for tree planting and trenches so I have to move the bobcat often, also, the neighboring park has an s130 with r30s Backhoe and after having tried to move around with it I found that it is difficult to travel with it (I often do 6, 7 km with it to get to my work). Because of its weight (840kg as opposed to the 725s hoe that is at 605 kg) it just keeps tipping.

Skidsteer, you say that with the current bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoe seat, how do you do that?

Gopal
After the hoe is attached and latched to the loader. Lift or leave the seat bar UP. You activate the flow to the hoe. Then push the yellow "traction lock" button. This unlocks the park brake but not loaders lift and tilt functions. Now you can drive the machine to where you need to go.
But once I start digging, I just lean back from the hoes seat and grab the two steering leavers and drive from up there. I find it quicker and easier then climbing in and out of the cab.
If the digging is real tough you may need to reach back into the cab and apply the parking brake by pushing the yellow button, but most the time I find I can dig without the brake one. I would like to wire the traction lock button out to the hoe somehow for convenience.
When I had the 909 hoes (earlier model the same size as a 709) on my 753, (which is now called the S130 Bobcat) I found it vary front heavy too. It should have had more counterweight. Even with the steel tracks on I could not back up much of a grade without tipping forward. If you buying new you may want to look at the S150, as it is a longer machine and will likely carry the hoe better.
Ken

 

[soutthpaw]

sorry for the small font , i dont know how that happened, will try again
You guys are just great! Many thanks for all the info. I am Suisse but I live in India ( by the way if ever any of you come to this part of the world drinks and food are on me, serious ), I would rather go in for a second hand but out here bobcat is relatively new so I don't have much of a choice . I fully agree on your observations of the pros and cons of the two models. 90% of my bobcat work is digging 1 cubic meter holes for tree planting and trenches so I have to move the bobcat often, also, the neighboring park has an s130 with r30s Backhoe and after having tried to move around with it I found that it is difficult to travel with it (I often do 6, 7 km with it to get to my work). Because of its weight (840kg as opposed to the 725s hoe that is at 605 kg) it just keeps tipping.

Skidsteer, you say that with the current bobcat setup you can drive the machine from the hoe seat, how do you do that?

Gopal
describing what you are doing with the machine, I agree if you are buying new go with the long wheelbase machine. Also I have rear stabilizers on my machine with the 709 hoe, they do add about 250 lbs to the far rear of the machine and I can back up onto my tilt trailer with the hoe without tipping forward. you can also add axle weights which are about 75lbs a side. I have them on the front axle to balance out the effect of the rear stabilizers when not using the hoe. I could add them on the rear axle for more tip resistance and as they are on the axle, Pivot point they don't affect the center of gravity of the machine when not connected to the hoe but would add more weight to the rear end with the hoe connected. with the side shift hoe, if you shift it to one side and fold it up against the machine you should be able to back up without tipping much... not sure what type of soil you have there but if its real hard, the stabilizers on the rear will give you a huge amount of down force to dig compared to using only the front stabilizers... Have u considered a tree spade for what you are planning to use the machine for????