Bobcat Model

[shadesofidaho]

How to tell a C. F. or G ? Tried search.Thanks Joe

 

[pondfishr]

All I see is the 753 F Series was introduced in 1992 promoting a return to 1983 pricing. Retail price $17,869 according to an old advertisement in the 50 Years of Bobcat Opportunities publication.

 

[thetool]

It's hard to tell from looking at them. C and F's Look the same. G and K's look the same.
The C-series machines were basically the first transverse-mounted engine jobs, and were a ground-up redisign..
F-series machines had the BICS system with electric brake and proportional auxillaries, and all revisions from the C-series are internal.
G-series are again a ground-up redesign, easily distinguishable by the rounded corners on the cab and triangular headlights, with a more advanced (and more costly to maintain)electrical system.
K-series(the latest) are again outwardly the same as G-series machines, with a redesigned electrical harness and a speed-controlled hydraulic cooling fan.
The way I tell at a glance is by the decals, if they're still there.....=)
C-model numbers top to bottom
F-model numbers left to right, color coded green for medium frame and orange for large frame.
G-all orange with rounded cab.
K-the "Bobcat" Decal under the model number is rounded and sort of integrated with the model number-hard to explain but recognizeable.
When ordering parts, Bobcat dosen't really care what series or year your machine is. They want the serial number and all parts and features are identified tracked by serial number alone.

 

[bcollida]

It's hard to tell from looking at them. C and F's Look the same. G and K's look the same.
The C-series machines were basically the first transverse-mounted engine jobs, and were a ground-up redisign..
F-series machines had the BICS system with electric brake and proportional auxillaries, and all revisions from the C-series are internal.
G-series are again a ground-up redesign, easily distinguishable by the rounded corners on the cab and triangular headlights, with a more advanced (and more costly to maintain)electrical system.
K-series(the latest) are again outwardly the same as G-series machines, with a redesigned electrical harness and a speed-controlled hydraulic cooling fan.
The way I tell at a glance is by the decals, if they're still there.....=)
C-model numbers top to bottom
F-model numbers left to right, color coded green for medium frame and orange for large frame.
G-all orange with rounded cab.
K-the "Bobcat" Decal under the model number is rounded and sort of integrated with the model number-hard to explain but recognizeable.
When ordering parts, Bobcat dosen't really care what series or year your machine is. They want the serial number and all parts and features are identified tracked by serial number alone.

Is there any convention/reason to the model numbers Bobcat has used over the years.? Does the 53 numbers on an 853 mean anything compared to the 63 on an 863, and if so does it compare to a 753 versus 763 ( if there is such a thing) When I look at the bobcat historical page it seems like they pulled the model numbers out of their ass. any thoughts on this?

 

[Tazza]

Is there any convention/reason to the model numbers Bobcat has used over the years.? Does the 53 numbers on an 853 mean anything compared to the 63 on an 863, and if so does it compare to a 753 versus 763 ( if there is such a thing) When I look at the bobcat historical page it seems like they pulled the model numbers out of their ass. any thoughts on this?

Working on the old style machines:
You have the series, be it 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 etc like 743 is a 7 series machine, 843 is an 8 series machine which is larger and more powerful than the 743.
Then you go the vintage which is the second number. you had a 731 which is older than the 741 then 751, 763. Does that make sense?
Then to get really complicated.... You have the first 2 numbers so thats vintage and series. Then the third number used to be 1 was air cooled, 2 was water cooled petrol, 3 was water cooled diesel. Like the 741 used an air cooled deutz the 742 used a water cooled mitsubishi or ford petrol, 743 used a liquid cooled kubota diesel. This was correct up to the 751 which used a luquid cooled pug diesel!
Just work on the first 2 numbers, series and vintage is your best option. But then you get the G series that a 753 can be newer than a 763 and then the S series!!!! i have no way to work those one out i'm afraid.
I hope at least a little of that made sense, not sure it made total sense to me either!

 

[bcollida]

Working on the old style machines:
You have the series, be it 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 etc like 743 is a 7 series machine, 843 is an 8 series machine which is larger and more powerful than the 743.
Then you go the vintage which is the second number. you had a 731 which is older than the 741 then 751, 763. Does that make sense?
Then to get really complicated.... You have the first 2 numbers so thats vintage and series. Then the third number used to be 1 was air cooled, 2 was water cooled petrol, 3 was water cooled diesel. Like the 741 used an air cooled deutz the 742 used a water cooled mitsubishi or ford petrol, 743 used a liquid cooled kubota diesel. This was correct up to the 751 which used a luquid cooled pug diesel!
Just work on the first 2 numbers, series and vintage is your best option. But then you get the G series that a 753 can be newer than a 763 and then the S series!!!! i have no way to work those one out i'm afraid.
I hope at least a little of that made sense, not sure it made total sense to me either!

Super cool Thanks. that adds some real structure. I was starting to think the marketing team was on crack.

 

[coreya3212]

Super cool Thanks. that adds some real structure. I was starting to think the marketing team was on crack.

Tazz, I read your post and it makes some sense for sure, I just have a Q. What the heck does the 8-2-5 stand for on my 825 cause it has a water cooled diesel. Of course its so old I am lucky it doesnt have roman numerals for a model...just curious though.

 

[Tazza]

Super cool Thanks. that adds some real structure. I was starting to think the marketing team was on crack.

Corey - i have no idea... You just had to bring up a model that didn't fit my explination didn't you? hehe. I actually didn't know there was that model out there. Hopefully someone else can shed some light on it for you?

 

[skidsteer.ca]

Corey - i have no idea... You just had to bring up a model that didn't fit my explination didn't you? hehe. I actually didn't know there was that model out there. Hopefully someone else can shed some light on it for you?

Prior to about 1990 the machines went up a number to indicate something better or bigger.
ie 741 742 742, the 825 would have had little in common with this numbering series except being a 8 series and older the a 843 or 853
Along about 90 the 7 and 8 series machines had pretty much all been switch to diesel and the model numbers stayed the same
7 was still the series, 53 was short wheel base, 763 was the same machine but a longer wheel base, and a 7753 was the first verticle lift path machine (otherwise a 763, which had the same engine and pumps as a 753) then the 7753 became a 773..
Same was true for the 853. 863 and 873.
The about 2003 they atarted into the S for skid and T for track followed by a number that if multiplied by 10 would be the machines rated lift capacity, ie S185 = 1850 lbs
Ken

 

[bcollida]

Prior to about 1990 the machines went up a number to indicate something better or bigger.
ie 741 742 742, the 825 would have had little in common with this numbering series except being a 8 series and older the a 843 or 853
Along about 90 the 7 and 8 series machines had pretty much all been switch to diesel and the model numbers stayed the same
7 was still the series, 53 was short wheel base, 763 was the same machine but a longer wheel base, and a 7753 was the first verticle lift path machine (otherwise a 763, which had the same engine and pumps as a 753) then the 7753 became a 773..
Same was true for the 853. 863 and 873.
The about 2003 they atarted into the S for skid and T for track followed by a number that if multiplied by 10 would be the machines rated lift capacity, ie S185 = 1850 lbs
Ken

Ken that's great info and you answered my real question, Why does my 853 looks like a completely different machine than the 863. And the answer is, they are the same machine with a different wheel base. Although that makes me wonder why anyone would want the shorter wheel base machine. Was the 853 and the 863 available the same model year and would someone actually say, yeah I want the short wheel base machine. Long wheel base is for pussys! ha ha. My 853 does a great job for me, but man it has a really short wheel base. what where they thinking.

 

[coreya3212]

Ken that's great info and you answered my real question, Why does my 853 looks like a completely different machine than the 863. And the answer is, they are the same machine with a different wheel base. Although that makes me wonder why anyone would want the shorter wheel base machine. Was the 853 and the 863 available the same model year and would someone actually say, yeah I want the short wheel base machine. Long wheel base is for pussys! ha ha. My 853 does a great job for me, but man it has a really short wheel base. what where they thinking.

I got this off another site...still doesnt help me... I am starting to think the 825 is the redheaded stepchild of the bobcat world. What do the bobcat numbers mean? * 1st digit is the size of the machine, the larger the number the larger the machine. * 2nd digit used to indicate the generation of the machine. (20s series, 30s series, 40s series) The 2nd digit now is an indicator of the frame & lift arm design of the machine. 5 means a standard wheelbase & radius path lift arms. (753) 6 is a long wheelbase & radius lift arms. (763) 7 is a long wheelbase & vertical path lift arms. (773) The generation of the machines is now being identified by a letter at the end of the model number. (753G) * 3rd digit used to indicate the engine type 0 was air cooled gasoline engine. (450) 1 was air cooled diesel engine. (731) 2 was liquid cooled gasoline engine. (722) 3 was liquid cooled diesel engine. (743) In the current machines the 3rd digit is now being used to designate the type of undercarriage. 3 now means machine is on tires. (753) 4 now means machine is on rubber tracks. (864) In 2001 the 864 track loader received a new name: T 200 The "T" stands for compact track loader. The "200" reflects the Rated Operating Capacity (ROC) For example : 200 means a ROC of 2000 lbs (907 kg) In the first quarter of 2002 other skid steer loaders also received "new names" "S" : skid steer loader (S 175) "A" : all wheel steer loader (A 220) "MT" : mini track loader (MT 50) The numbers behind the indicating letters reflect on the loaders Rated Operating Capacity (ROC)

 

[skidsteer.ca]

I got this off another site...still doesnt help me... I am starting to think the 825 is the redheaded stepchild of the bobcat world. What do the bobcat numbers mean? * 1st digit is the size of the machine, the larger the number the larger the machine. * 2nd digit used to indicate the generation of the machine. (20s series, 30s series, 40s series) The 2nd digit now is an indicator of the frame & lift arm design of the machine. 5 means a standard wheelbase & radius path lift arms. (753) 6 is a long wheelbase & radius lift arms. (763) 7 is a long wheelbase & vertical path lift arms. (773) The generation of the machines is now being identified by a letter at the end of the model number. (753G) * 3rd digit used to indicate the engine type 0 was air cooled gasoline engine. (450) 1 was air cooled diesel engine. (731) 2 was liquid cooled gasoline engine. (722) 3 was liquid cooled diesel engine. (743) In the current machines the 3rd digit is now being used to designate the type of undercarriage. 3 now means machine is on tires. (753) 4 now means machine is on rubber tracks. (864) In 2001 the 864 track loader received a new name: T 200 The "T" stands for compact track loader. The "200" reflects the Rated Operating Capacity (ROC) For example : 200 means a ROC of 2000 lbs (907 kg) In the first quarter of 2002 other skid steer loaders also received "new names" "S" : skid steer loader (S 175) "A" : all wheel steer loader (A 220) "MT" : mini track loader (MT 50) The numbers behind the indicating letters reflect on the loaders Rated Operating Capacity (ROC)

There is the whole nine yards then.
Originally Bobcat pioneered and promoted the short frame machine because when the bucket was loaded the rear tires carried little weight which reduced wear when spinning in circles, and when the bucket was empty the front tires carried little weight. So tight turns could be made without as much tire wear. This still is the preferred setup in a factory setting say where you work on a flat floor and space is limited.
However later mfg's came along and said longer is better so you can work on rougher ground even if it costs some tire wear. And eventually bobcat came to agree with them and build both frame lengths in the more popular models.
The 853 came to its demise when the 773 grew from @1600 lb roc(7753) to 1750 lb 773g it was as capable so no point in two models with the same roc, though the 853 had more hp, larger 12" tires and more weight, which could be seen as plus or minus depending on your situation.
The model numbering system is quite confusing at first, because it has evolved along the way.
Ken

 

[Tazza]

There is the whole nine yards then.
Originally Bobcat pioneered and promoted the short frame machine because when the bucket was loaded the rear tires carried little weight which reduced wear when spinning in circles, and when the bucket was empty the front tires carried little weight. So tight turns could be made without as much tire wear. This still is the preferred setup in a factory setting say where you work on a flat floor and space is limited.
However later mfg's came along and said longer is better so you can work on rougher ground even if it costs some tire wear. And eventually bobcat came to agree with them and build both frame lengths in the more popular models.
The 853 came to its demise when the 773 grew from @1600 lb roc(7753) to 1750 lb 773g it was as capable so no point in two models with the same roc, though the 853 had more hp, larger 12" tires and more weight, which could be seen as plus or minus depending on your situation.
The model numbering system is quite confusing at first, because it has evolved along the way.
Ken

I looked at the wheel base of my 743 and 753, they look the same. So i assume they were both short wheel base? then the 763 had a longer wheels base? i haven't measured the 763 though.
I do like the balance the 743 has, the 753 seems to launch up on its rear wheels pretty easily as opposed to the 743 does though.

 

[skidsteer.ca]

I looked at the wheel base of my 743 and 753, they look the same. So i assume they were both short wheel base? then the 763 had a longer wheels base? i haven't measured the 763 though.
I do like the balance the 743 has, the 753 seems to launch up on its rear wheels pretty easily as opposed to the 743 does though.

To further confuse matters Bobcat is now introducing a new "cab forward" model line. The "S" and "T" designations are staying, but they now have a S660 (and one other model) with about a 2000 lbs roc.
Which imho is about the stupidest thing they have done lately.
I think we should just erase this thread and write someting to the effect that
"Bobcat randomly numbers their machines with no rhyme or reason, so don't bother trying to pay attention, its a waste of your valuable time and effort."
Btw this info came from the last Work Saver magazne from Bobcat.
Ken

 

[Fabricator]

To further confuse matters Bobcat is now introducing a new "cab forward" model line. The "S" and "T" designations are staying, but they now have a S660 (and one other model) with about a 2000 lbs roc.
Which imho is about the stupidest thing they have done lately.
I think we should just erase this thread and write someting to the effect that
"Bobcat randomly numbers their machines with no rhyme or reason, so don't bother trying to pay attention, its a waste of your valuable time and effort."
Btw this info came from the last Work Saver magazne from Bobcat.
Ken

Quote: Then about 2003 they started into the S for skid and T for track followed by a number that if multiplied by 10 would be the machines rated lift capacity, ie S185 = 1850 lbs Quote: To further confuse matters Bobcat is now introducing a new "cab forward" model line. The "S" and "T" designations are staying, but they now have a S660 (and one other model) with about a 2000 lbs roc. Yep. When they first went to the S and T designations my thought was that finally someone had some sense and everything was clear. Last time I was at the dealer I saw the cab forward designations and just shook my head...