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I purchased a set of 12X16.5 ---ENDUROTRAC--- I think it's spelled correctly?, you guys that have changed out a few sets, which is best in your opinion. Thanks
 

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Never heard of the brand, I have been selling skid steer tires for over 10 years...Supergrip and Galaxy are the top of the line brands. What did you pay?
 

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Never heard of the brand, I have been selling skid steer tires for over 10 years...Supergrip and Galaxy are the top of the line brands. What did you pay?
They were $90 each, guess I'll see how long they last.
 

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They were $90 each, guess I'll see how long they last.
Wow great price, I hope they last, my 10x16.5 tires sell for more! What are the specs on the tire? My Supergrips are 12 ply tires and have 40/32 deep tread. Our severe duty has 14 ply and 64/32s!
 

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Wow great price, I hope they last, my 10x16.5 tires sell for more! What are the specs on the tire? My Supergrips are 12 ply tires and have 40/32 deep tread. Our severe duty has 14 ply and 64/32s!
There 12X16.5 and I'm running 55 PSI, the supplier says he has had no complants from customers. Hope he's not dumb enough to lie and lose customers, we'll see......
 

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There 12X16.5 and I'm running 55 PSI, the supplier says he has had no complants from customers. Hope he's not dumb enough to lie and lose customers, we'll see......
I have good luck so far with the off shore skidsteer tires, duramax, ohero,
even the last set of genuine Bobcat tires I bought were made in Tiawan.
Offshore tires have all the features of the brands costing 50% more, I guess we'll see how they do for weather checking/ cracking over time but sofar I'm happy.
And I have cut the sidewall out of bobcat brand tires too, at least this way it don't hurt so much.
Ken
 

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I have good luck so far with the off shore skidsteer tires, duramax, ohero,
even the last set of genuine Bobcat tires I bought were made in Tiawan.
Offshore tires have all the features of the brands costing 50% more, I guess we'll see how they do for weather checking/ cracking over time but sofar I'm happy.
And I have cut the sidewall out of bobcat brand tires too, at least this way it don't hurt so much.
Ken
I run 35 psi in mine and never had any trouble (except recently when I never checked them for 6 months, and one came off the bead, the others had between 22 and 25 psi)
55 seems like plenty imho, but if you don't mind the stiffer ride....
Ken
 

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I run 35 psi in mine and never had any trouble (except recently when I never checked them for 6 months, and one came off the bead, the others had between 22 and 25 psi)
55 seems like plenty imho, but if you don't mind the stiffer ride....
Ken
99 percent of tires are made offshore, why? ever see a rubber tree in the USA, Even the brand we sell at the dealership is made offshore, however, I find it hard to belive all the features are all there in the economy tires. Compare the tires in specs not looks, many economy tires are what we call in the business UNDERCUT, meaning that the tires are short in height. So simply putting them on your machine lowers the ground clearance. most people dont even notice this! Then check the space between each lug, can you put your finger through it? maybe two fingers? Better tires will have the lugs closer together so that when you turn on hard surfaces the lugs dont seporate. Ever noticed how skid steers jerk when you turn them on hard surfaces, the lugs are doing that. Sidewalls and bead quard? Many economy tires push that but dont have any more thickness in the tire and can have a tendecy to bulge giving the machine a wash/flimsy feel when loaded. Ply rating, trully not a measure of how many plys but how thick/strong is the sidewall in nature to hold weight. Ever notice a machine with the tires bulging in the center of the tread? Economy tires usually are built going from the side to the top of the tire across the face and then stop, then start again at the other side of the tire, go up to the tread, across the tread and stop. Better tires go up across and down full legth! These tires dont bulge in the middle, and keep more tread on the surface to minimize wear. Finally did you actually measure the tread depth? Most econmy tires are 24/32s deep, thats 11/32s short of the premium tires depth. Then the compond in each tire is very important, simple test is to push a sharp object into the tread, how far where you able to push it in? The other side of the coin is if your tire compond is too hard, yes that can be a problem also, some are so hard that they pull the lugs off.
Im not trying to dis on anyones purchases, Im just sharing what I have been through at my dealership for over 10 years. When I started selling tires for Bobcat nobody came back and purchased replacements, so I spent time and money to find out who builds better tires. Yes I still have to stock bobcat brands but I dont sell many of them, my aftermarked tires sell 1000 to 1 vs the bobcat brand. We went from 25 grand a year in tire sales 10 years ago to currently 300 grand per year, 3 containers per year. The best thing is when a customer comes back in for a set and they tell me they bought some elsewhere for 50 percent less than mine 3 months ago and they are gone. When comparing, really look at the specs! Many tire stores only sell the brand name that usually on the side of the building. Ecomomy or not!
 

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99 percent of tires are made offshore, why? ever see a rubber tree in the USA, Even the brand we sell at the dealership is made offshore, however, I find it hard to belive all the features are all there in the economy tires. Compare the tires in specs not looks, many economy tires are what we call in the business UNDERCUT, meaning that the tires are short in height. So simply putting them on your machine lowers the ground clearance. most people dont even notice this! Then check the space between each lug, can you put your finger through it? maybe two fingers? Better tires will have the lugs closer together so that when you turn on hard surfaces the lugs dont seporate. Ever noticed how skid steers jerk when you turn them on hard surfaces, the lugs are doing that. Sidewalls and bead quard? Many economy tires push that but dont have any more thickness in the tire and can have a tendecy to bulge giving the machine a wash/flimsy feel when loaded. Ply rating, trully not a measure of how many plys but how thick/strong is the sidewall in nature to hold weight. Ever notice a machine with the tires bulging in the center of the tread? Economy tires usually are built going from the side to the top of the tire across the face and then stop, then start again at the other side of the tire, go up to the tread, across the tread and stop. Better tires go up across and down full legth! These tires dont bulge in the middle, and keep more tread on the surface to minimize wear. Finally did you actually measure the tread depth? Most econmy tires are 24/32s deep, thats 11/32s short of the premium tires depth. Then the compond in each tire is very important, simple test is to push a sharp object into the tread, how far where you able to push it in? The other side of the coin is if your tire compond is too hard, yes that can be a problem also, some are so hard that they pull the lugs off.
Im not trying to dis on anyones purchases, Im just sharing what I have been through at my dealership for over 10 years. When I started selling tires for Bobcat nobody came back and purchased replacements, so I spent time and money to find out who builds better tires. Yes I still have to stock bobcat brands but I dont sell many of them, my aftermarked tires sell 1000 to 1 vs the bobcat brand. We went from 25 grand a year in tire sales 10 years ago to currently 300 grand per year, 3 containers per year. The best thing is when a customer comes back in for a set and they tell me they bought some elsewhere for 50 percent less than mine 3 months ago and they are gone. When comparing, really look at the specs! Many tire stores only sell the brand name that usually on the side of the building. Ecomomy or not!
After I purchased the tires and had them mounted, I noticed one was a DURAMAX and it was a full two inches shorter than the ENDUROTRACS?, I thought this was unusual when all four were 12X16.5 with lip guard??. anyway the seller replaced the DURAMAX with the ENDUROTRAC and refunded $20 for mounting. I noticed the tires do not have a suggested PSI on the side walls, is this on purpose because use is different among owners?.
 

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After I purchased the tires and had them mounted, I noticed one was a DURAMAX and it was a full two inches shorter than the ENDUROTRACS?, I thought this was unusual when all four were 12X16.5 with lip guard??. anyway the seller replaced the DURAMAX with the ENDUROTRAC and refunded $20 for mounting. I noticed the tires do not have a suggested PSI on the side walls, is this on purpose because use is different among owners?.
Hmm, that is alot of difference. The 10.00 by 16.5 duramax I had on my 753 were vary comparible to the heavy duty Bobcat brand tires I run on the other side and I had no trouble with the loader drifting to one side. Check and see if the endurotracs are oversized pehaps???
The only thing that concerns me is that it may not be possible to get the same brand from some of these suppliers incase you ruin one, But then you would still have the wear difference to. Even a set of tires always run together will wear the rear faster then the front usually.
I guess it would always be best to stay with one manufacturer as many factors in the construction of the tire can vary from one to the other.
With the steel tracs I run all summer, I estimate my tire life to be 800 to 1000 hours with a “cheap” tires and by then they will be 4 to 5 years old. They casing will be starting to crack or check anyway.
I don't doubt that in many cases you get what you pay for. But I like to know that is the case as opposed to paying big for “bobcat” or some other name stamped on the side of a cheap tire.
Ken
 

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Hmm, that is alot of difference. The 10.00 by 16.5 duramax I had on my 753 were vary comparible to the heavy duty Bobcat brand tires I run on the other side and I had no trouble with the loader drifting to one side. Check and see if the endurotracs are oversized pehaps???
The only thing that concerns me is that it may not be possible to get the same brand from some of these suppliers incase you ruin one, But then you would still have the wear difference to. Even a set of tires always run together will wear the rear faster then the front usually.
I guess it would always be best to stay with one manufacturer as many factors in the construction of the tire can vary from one to the other.
With the steel tracs I run all summer, I estimate my tire life to be 800 to 1000 hours with a “cheap” tires and by then they will be 4 to 5 years old. They casing will be starting to crack or check anyway.
I don't doubt that in many cases you get what you pay for. But I like to know that is the case as opposed to paying big for “bobcat” or some other name stamped on the side of a cheap tire.
Ken
Different tires can be that different in size for sure! 2 inches? Big issue. When we sell somebody only two tires, we try and put them on either the left or the right side of the machine, why is this? Front and rear differences in tire size can cause chain case chains to not be in sync, kinda like a 4x4 truck if it had two different gear ratios. so we install sides, not front and back to help with that, but that causes other possible issues, for those people that must keep their grade as close to perfect as possible, the bucket wont sit perfectly flat. In a way you really need to rotate tires often to keep square. Tires dont come with psi listed on them. We fill them at the store to 50 psi and tell people that they can inflate them up to 80 if need be for the real heavy loads. Any psi under 40 can allow the bead to come off the wheel.
 

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Different tires can be that different in size for sure! 2 inches? Big issue. When we sell somebody only two tires, we try and put them on either the left or the right side of the machine, why is this? Front and rear differences in tire size can cause chain case chains to not be in sync, kinda like a 4x4 truck if it had two different gear ratios. so we install sides, not front and back to help with that, but that causes other possible issues, for those people that must keep their grade as close to perfect as possible, the bucket wont sit perfectly flat. In a way you really need to rotate tires often to keep square. Tires dont come with psi listed on them. We fill them at the store to 50 psi and tell people that they can inflate them up to 80 if need be for the real heavy loads. Any psi under 40 can allow the bead to come off the wheel.
bobcat parts manager ,i agree with everything in your post except the psi listing. i'v put tires on cars,trucks,10 wheel dump trucks, bobcats ,atvs,motorcycles,wheele barrows,and bicycles and i've never seen a tire that didn't have at psi listed on it. most tires for the road have a max load rating on the sidewall,something like [email protected] psi. ford had this problem with tires on the explorer ,i think ,they disregaurded the manufactures recomended psi in favor of a lower psi and had many tire failures and lawsuits as a result. you won't have tire failure of a bobcat tire due to under inflation , i've run as low as 25 psi but i've never seen a 10 or 12 ply rated tire with a psi rateing over 55psi.
 

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bobcat parts manager ,i agree with everything in your post except the psi listing. i'v put tires on cars,trucks,10 wheel dump trucks, bobcats ,atvs,motorcycles,wheele barrows,and bicycles and i've never seen a tire that didn't have at psi listed on it. most tires for the road have a max load rating on the sidewall,something like [email protected] psi. ford had this problem with tires on the explorer ,i think ,they disregaurded the manufactures recomended psi in favor of a lower psi and had many tire failures and lawsuits as a result. you won't have tire failure of a bobcat tire due to under inflation , i've run as low as 25 psi but i've never seen a 10 or 12 ply rated tire with a psi rateing over 55psi.
Please navigate to www.supergrip.net click construction and then skid steer, locate premium RG and read the psi specs on the page...it clearly shows more than 55 psi if needed.
 

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Please navigate to www.supergrip.net click construction and then skid steer, locate premium RG and read the psi specs on the page...it clearly shows more than 55 psi if needed.
well i stand corrected,i'v never delt with supergrip tires they look like a good tire . about how many hrs, do your costumers say they get out of them on dirt. i'v got a new s220 with about 200 hrs on it and the factory tires are about 65% gone.
 

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well i stand corrected,i'v never delt with supergrip tires they look like a good tire . about how many hrs, do your costumers say they get out of them on dirt. i'v got a new s220 with about 200 hrs on it and the factory tires are about 65% gone.
Many of my customers are getting 800 plus hours in dirt for the Premium RG, did you take a look at the servere duty? Damn! 1200 hrs plus on them in many cases! Not cheap, but worth the coin. S220 (good machine by the way) yes the Bobcat Heavy duty is not a bad tire but should get you 500 hours or better. The cost is hard to swallow comparded to the supergrip.
Good day today at Intermountain Bobcat, sold 12 12x16.5 tires and 4 10x16.5 tires and fixed 6 more. Got to love the tire business.
 
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