Tier 4 final

PrivadoMason

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So what's the deal with all the "new" emission technologies. I have done breif reading and research on it and come up with some general types: SCR DOC PMC and DPF, I have yet to completely understand each and every type. Just a little curious about all these tier 4 final engines. Anyone know what each acronym stands for and what they do in terms of fuel efficiency and how they may affect longevity and performance of the engine?
 
I'm with you, Privado Mason, hopefully someone in the know explains it all. When I bought our used L185 last Jan I figured it was like the heavy equip/trucks I worked on before retirement----NO computers/electronics whatsoever. Quickly found out as soon as I plop my butt in the skid steer seat computerized electronics come into play. It would also be interesting to know if the different brands have about the same computerized controls. In other words, could the Bobcat dealership (the only skid steer shop near me) scan and diagnose a computor problem with a New Holland?
 
I'm with you, Privado Mason, hopefully someone in the know explains it all. When I bought our used L185 last Jan I figured it was like the heavy equip/trucks I worked on before retirement----NO computers/electronics whatsoever. Quickly found out as soon as I plop my butt in the skid steer seat computerized electronics come into play. It would also be interesting to know if the different brands have about the same computerized controls. In other words, could the Bobcat dealership (the only skid steer shop near me) scan and diagnose a computor problem with a New Holland?
Ok I do know that in my L228 there is something called a CAN Bus, which from reading around is like an OBD port for my machine. When I first saw it I assumed it was the 7 / 14 pin connection port for attachments but it was inside the cab under the dash. But you have a L185 which is somewhat recent I think. It might have it, but our older LX865 doesn't have it (atleast we don't think it does) so I don't know if Bobcat could diagnose it... Really depends if the hardware that is on it (your L185) and the information being received by the scanner is universal like on cars, which I kind of doubt. Hell I hope it's universal for all of our sakes.
 
Ok I do know that in my L228 there is something called a CAN Bus, which from reading around is like an OBD port for my machine. When I first saw it I assumed it was the 7 / 14 pin connection port for attachments but it was inside the cab under the dash. But you have a L185 which is somewhat recent I think. It might have it, but our older LX865 doesn't have it (atleast we don't think it does) so I don't know if Bobcat could diagnose it... Really depends if the hardware that is on it (your L185) and the information being received by the scanner is universal like on cars, which I kind of doubt. Hell I hope it's universal for all of our sakes.
Mine doesn't really have an overhead dash like I saw in a pic of a Case or Cat (I think). I've got my light controls, park brake button, quick disconnect, etc, on the left vertical beam above the left hand lever, and beacon, ignition switch and some accessory buttons on the right beam. At the right rear under the headliner there's a fuse and circuit breaker panel but I don't remember seeing a OBD type port. So many questions, so little time. :) I bought the thick shop manual over Ebay, but I can tell it's a foreign translation into English so it's not that wonderful. There's more practical info in the owner's manual. I was also wondering how common the FPT (Fiat Powertrain Technoligies) 4 cylinder diesels are in various skid steers including NH's. So far, I'm really happy with mine. Runs great and no sign of any oil leakage or seepage around any seals or gaskets.
 
Mine doesn't really have an overhead dash like I saw in a pic of a Case or Cat (I think). I've got my light controls, park brake button, quick disconnect, etc, on the left vertical beam above the left hand lever, and beacon, ignition switch and some accessory buttons on the right beam. At the right rear under the headliner there's a fuse and circuit breaker panel but I don't remember seeing a OBD type port. So many questions, so little time. :) I bought the thick shop manual over Ebay, but I can tell it's a foreign translation into English so it's not that wonderful. There's more practical info in the owner's manual. I was also wondering how common the FPT (Fiat Powertrain Technoligies) 4 cylinder diesels are in various skid steers including NH's. So far, I'm really happy with mine. Runs great and no sign of any oil leakage or seepage around any seals or gaskets.
Ok after looking at pictures of your machine on machinery trader I'm going to assume that the control panel on your machine is fairly similar to mine, if thats the case there maybe be an input socket under that column (on my machine it's under the cloumn panel where the hours are displayed) or on the right hand side column.
 
Ok after looking at pictures of your machine on machinery trader I'm going to assume that the control panel on your machine is fairly similar to mine, if thats the case there maybe be an input socket under that column (on my machine it's under the cloumn panel where the hours are displayed) or on the right hand side column.
After a LONG Google search, I found a pic of my hour meter, fuel, temp, and oil gauge, park brake button, etc gauge panel. https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/272752004417_/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185.jpg The panel mounts vertically on my left ROP strut or beam as you're sitting in the seat. Just went out and looked and there's no indication of a input socket unless it's hidden behind the panel in the plastic molding that covers the steel beam which could very well be the case. The gauge panel is just held in by 2 sheet metal screws as you can see in the pic. The heater and A/C switches are directly below the gauge/switch panel. So is yours just like this and I'm just mixed up on the left or right side issue? :)
 
After a LONG Google search, I found a pic of my hour meter, fuel, temp, and oil gauge, park brake button, etc gauge panel. https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/272752004417_/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185.jpg The panel mounts vertically on my left ROP strut or beam as you're sitting in the seat. Just went out and looked and there's no indication of a input socket unless it's hidden behind the panel in the plastic molding that covers the steel beam which could very well be the case. The gauge panel is just held in by 2 sheet metal screws as you can see in the pic. The heater and A/C switches are directly below the gauge/switch panel. So is yours just like this and I'm just mixed up on the left or right side issue? :)
Just went to Google to bring up my link and rather than showing the pic directly, it gave the option of "search by image". If you click on that, it will bring it up in the top pic. Hope this helps.
 
Just went to Google to bring up my link and rather than showing the pic directly, it gave the option of "search by image". If you click on that, it will bring it up in the top pic. Hope this helps.
Or here it is on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185-L190-87484636-87706368/272752004417?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D91098b4dc93b42ac96f28e900b2c8ac5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D282728996033&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
 
Or here it is on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185-L190-87484636-87706368/272752004417?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D91098b4dc93b42ac96f28e900b2c8ac5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D282728996033&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Ok I found some info about it CAN is short for Controller Area Network and found out that some early 2000 New Holland tractors have this and your L185 is from around the same time period. They spoke of removing panels on their machine but that is a tractor and I doubt it would be the same as your skid steer. I'll keep looking around hopefully i can find something.
 
Or here it is on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185-L190-87484636-87706368/272752004417?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D91098b4dc93b42ac96f28e900b2c8ac5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D282728996033&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
What year skid steer ?
 
Or here it is on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dash-cluster-New-Holland-L160-L170-L180-L185-L190-87484636-87706368/272752004417?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D91098b4dc93b42ac96f28e900b2c8ac5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D282728996033&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
So after extensive research I have concluded that your machine does not have this port, I went through every single year range found nothing in any parts catalog about a CAN Diagnostic port unfortunately, maybe this is a feature thats is only in the 200 Series, I even went through a few 200 Skids and found nothing on those albeit they were earlier models 12,13,14 etc. In that case I am not to sure how one would diagnose a problem... I hope this helps.
 
So after extensive research I have concluded that your machine does not have this port, I went through every single year range found nothing in any parts catalog about a CAN Diagnostic port unfortunately, maybe this is a feature thats is only in the 200 Series, I even went through a few 200 Skids and found nothing on those albeit they were earlier models 12,13,14 etc. In that case I am not to sure how one would diagnose a problem... I hope this helps.
Thanks for looking. Mine is a 2010 built in late 2009. When I get some spare time I'll look further in the shop manual. I also bought the FPT engine manual and it doesn't even mention something as basic as the heating grid or block heater. Most manuals even mention block heater amp draw which is good to know when it comes to using the right wattage extension cord.
 
Thanks for looking. Mine is a 2010 built in late 2009. When I get some spare time I'll look further in the shop manual. I also bought the FPT engine manual and it doesn't even mention something as basic as the heating grid or block heater. Most manuals even mention block heater amp draw which is good to know when it comes to using the right wattage extension cord.
Hmm let me see if I can find anything about that, it's kind of funny how this went from a question I had to a question You had and me trying to help you find an answer! Hopefully someone can help me with my question. Anyhow I'll start looking !
 
Thanks for looking. Mine is a 2010 built in late 2009. When I get some spare time I'll look further in the shop manual. I also bought the FPT engine manual and it doesn't even mention something as basic as the heating grid or block heater. Most manuals even mention block heater amp draw which is good to know when it comes to using the right wattage extension cord.
Now is your machine a 2 speed or not ?
 
Now is your machine a 2 speed or not ?
Yep, 2 speed but I've never had an occasion to move it in high range. I think Mike10 said he's a longtime NH skid steer mechanic and I was hoping he'd chime in and answer our never ending list of questions. :)
 
Yep, 2 speed but I've never had an occasion to move it in high range. I think Mike10 said he's a longtime NH skid steer mechanic and I was hoping he'd chime in and answer our never ending list of questions. :)
ha ha ha, yes let's hope so ! On the block heater I read that on the 3 cyl it has a 750W 120V Block heater but I've yet to find this information for your 4 Cyl. Yes, we don't use it either, I have only used it once and that was when they delivered it (our equipment storage is a bit far away from our house not to far though).
 
ha ha ha, yes let's hope so ! On the block heater I read that on the 3 cyl it has a 750W 120V Block heater but I've yet to find this information for your 4 Cyl. Yes, we don't use it either, I have only used it once and that was when they delivered it (our equipment storage is a bit far away from our house not to far though).
Sounds about right, the one in my old Ford diesel pickup is 1000 watts. I found no matter how cold it gets 2 hours plugged in did the trick. I used to have it on a timer if I was going to use it in the morning.
 
Sounds about right, the one in my old Ford diesel pickup is 1000 watts. I found no matter how cold it gets 2 hours plugged in did the trick. I used to have it on a timer if I was going to use it in the morning.
Like a timer that shuts it off ?
 
Like a timer that shuts it off ?
Right, I've got one working right now to keep my horse's water tank from freezing solid. It can get in the teens or well below zero here in WY this time of year. Depending on the temp, I'll have it timed to come on about 2AM and go off 7 or 8AM. If you Google "Intermatic timers" they show quit a few of what they offer. The one I have for my pickup plugs directly in the garage wall socket then the extension cord from the block heater plugs into the bottom of the timer. You can set them for any number of hours and any time of day or night. You DO have to make sure it's rated for the amperage that your heater uses.
 

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