mini track loaders (mini skid steer)stand on

[lattoniere]

mini track loaders (mini skid steer)

Stand-On Skid Steer,

Stand-On Skid Steer

surfing the net I saw that they build mini tracked and wheeled loaders for carrying tools called stand on, without a driving position and seat with controls, but you drive on a platform like a tracked wheelbarrow. I would like to buy one for the countryside, my land is terraced with steps on a hilly terrain with an 18% slope, I have to create paths and access ramps, transport stones, building materials, make small excavations for foundations for walls and bring back soil to create an embankment that should support a ramp 3 meters high, 10 meters long and 3 meters wide on the ground, do you think this machine is suitable for these jobs or do you recommend that I rent a backhoe, thanks, which brand and model is best, thanks, I await clarification

Small stand-on skid steer loader

 

[tech.35058]

Greetings Lattonier.
I personally own a rather old version of "mini track loader" (Boxer TL224), which gets used a lot. I have a genersl purpose bucket, trencher, & tiller. I have adapted the pallet forks from my "bigger" skidsteer to work on either machine.
Pro ... i can see what i am doing, all around. I can get into really tight places. -many- attachments are available for these machines.
Con ... compared to the larger machine, lift & carrying capacity is much less. Tracks on either machine introduced vibration, so if you are carrying something on a pallet, tie it on.
Using the smaller machine, i can loosen the dirt with trencher or tiller, then scoop it up with the bucket.
Hoe attachments for the skidsteers are reported to be very frustrating, i have not tried one (i now have a 7000 lb excavator, so that is capability is covered, for me.)
A (back) hoe comes with a hoe on the back & a scoop on the front, other attachments are also available. I do not own, nor have i rented, so i cannot really compare.
I would suggest renting both machines before deciding.
Rent vs purchase ... trying to schedule rental "between raindrops" was do frustrating that eventually, i "temporarily" purchased the equipment that i needed. I doubt that i will ever be finished with any of it, probably never sell. Good luck, ce

 

[tech.35058]

One other comment ... in my professional life, i was heavy equipment component mechanic.
All of my equipment is "older". I try to avoid the electronic & computer controlled stuff as much as posible, since i will be the one doing repairs & maintenance.

 

[lattoniere]

I work on a slope maybe with a seat applied to the platform, what price would a used one be, what operating costs would it have?? I saw some versions with a triangle, that is, a large rear drive wheel and a smaller front drive wheel, however, thanks, maybe I'll rent them, I have to do some heavy work on a slope, I wouldn't want it to tip over and crush me, it doesn't even have a rops protection cage cabin or a tube roll bar arch. However, thanks, I'll think about it, if it lifts up at the back when it goes to impale I'll have to think about it again, thanks.

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[tech.35058]

If it does something you dont like, just step off. It is a small machine. I usually operate standing on ground when loading on trailer (does that make me a wimp?). I thought about adding a belt i could lean back into, but have not done it yet.
If you are looking for s used one, getting one that is more current would be good advice. Matching up generic parts is a pain.
Getting more lift capacity would also be nice
I understand that newer machines have a better control set up.
My Boxer is pretty old, (2006?) & an orphan, manufacturer sold the product line, not much parts support. i got it & attachments from a rental outfit that didnt have much luck renting it out.
(They charged same for it as a mini-excavator). I got everything for $5000 in 2019. I replaced the carburetor ($20~30 ebay) immediately, & kept rainwater out of the fuel since. If /when the Honda engine dies, it can be replaced with any generic engine.
This machine was part of a rental fleet that was not well maintained.
I have resealed the lift cylinders, replaced the bearings in one of the front track idlers, and replaced one of the track drive units. ( i received a the hull of a parts machine with this purchase, that helps.). I have sorted out wiring issues (fuse panel melted in spots). i purchased a set of tracks,($600?) but only installed one so far, one of my tracks was torn. On a 20 year old machine, these were not unexpected repairs.
I use the machine to load mulch, dirt & gravel on my dump trailer. A machine with a bigger bucket is faster, but sometimes this is the machine at hand . I have used the trencher a lot, actually had to replace the nose sprocket bearing.
The trencher is a "no-name" but constructed of generic parts.
I used the tiller a lot also prepping beds in my veggy garden. I have pretty much retired my old garden tiller.
The small footprint makes it good for close quarters work, but a smooth ride, it isn't. Trying to grade smoothly with this machine is a bit of a technique..
Other machines have a larger footprint, & higher capacity. And a smoother ride, i am sure. But, this is the only machine of this class that i have used. Good luck,ce

 

[mrbb]

if you care to watch a good video on them that show what some can do and how tippy or not they can be, here is one for you to see
personally I do NOT think they would be good on steep slops, all the more so if any off camber is involved, and jumping off, OK maybe on some places, but on steep slops, gravity tends to have things follow you when you jump off!
for me, there more for level ground work! ,

 

[lattoniere]

I have a 8000m2 plot of land with an 18% slope on three levels, I rent a 5-ton mini excavator to build the ramps and paths to access the terraces, the ideal would be a small tracked vehicle, the rubberized mini skid loader I use on the flat I worked on a construction site it would be ideal but on the hillside it is dangerous it has a high center of gravity sure that I will fall while I maneuver. The tracked ones are expensive compared to the rubberized ones and there would be the problem of the tracks, if you are not experienced when you turn dry or sharply you risk tearing them and wearing them out quickly they cost a lot and it is cumbersome to change them I have to think about the work I do in the summer now it rains the earth becomes mud I have to think about it anyway I will take the tracked wheelbarrow definitely thanks again.

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[tech.35058]

Yes, they dont have the lift capacity of larger machines, and the short footprint of my boxer doesnt help that any. For a reference, using pallet forks made for std skidsteer, 2000 lb Boxer can carry ~400 lb.
3 cross ties close to the backrest.
On level ground it will carry 4, but if you have to negotiate much of a slope the machine will tip. If you are that close to tipping wt, carry close to the ground. When the tracks go vertical, you lose hydraulics very quickly. (Yes, i learned from experience)
My 7-8000 lb New Holland LX865 tips at a little over 2800 lbs. I tipped it too, but could untip it without being trapped inside. 18% slope, per internet is only about 10°. Steep is a relative term. Always better to rent one first to see how it really works or not.

 

[lattoniere]

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I'm honest, I wanted to get a bobcat 753 which are very common on construction sites and are as common as bicycles, you can find used spare parts.
They advised me against it for my land, it has a high center of gravity on the slope where I should trace the ramp and the path, I risk tipping over, a classic mini tracked loader, they are not common in my area, they cost an arm and a leg and if you don't know how to use them, you tear the tracks, you wear them out, if it doesn't grip well and you steer sharply in a skid, they cost a lot and are cumbersome, I know how to replace them. I'm honestly undecided. A friend of mine who is an agricultural lumberjack tells me that he will buy a 5-ton Komatsu tracked loader, I have to rent the vehicle from him, in any case I will have to get or rent the mini tracked wheelbarrow. I have to take the earth 100 steps forward and backward, load and unload at least 80 cubic meters to fill and build the ramp, I have to think about it and amortize the economic costs, do the right economic accounting and reduce the expenses to a minimum, thanks.

bob 753?
reduce costs 9000€?'

 

[mrbb]

to be honest you might be better off hiring someone to do your project
as the things is, ALL smaller narrow type machines are tippy and not good on slopes and off camber terrain
there all made and designed for working on flat level; ground
they all have higher center of gravity due to designs of them
narrow widths, short wheel bases, that never adds up to safe on slopes, all the more so when you add in filling a bucket and lifting it off the ground any!
then add in NO suspension to help get over un even things like rocks, roots, or dips in the ground, and they get even more tippy/unstable

add in low experience level with "X" machine or just in general of experience operating machinery in sloped terrain, and its like asking for a failure here IMO!
as even if you rent something and then you tip it over, the costs of damages or to up right it, might cost more than having someone with skills and experience and equipment, come in and do it safely
as tipping any machine can kill you or severely hurt you!

working on uneven ground, and then add in slopes, are not really good for in experienced operators, its like asking for a failure

the costs to BUY a machine, that may NOT be right for the task, is not going to save you any money, which again, you might be better of just hiring someone to do your project, or at least get it safe enough to be finished by you!,

I'm not trying to discourage you here, just trying to offer honest advice so you don;'t get hurt!

to me this job sounds like it should be done with a mid sized excavator, that has a wider foot print and some reach to , get the site into a safer working area, mid sized excavators are way more stable than any skid steer 99% of the time any how!
they just have lower center of gravity, can reach out and level things and can just do things a skid steer cannot, to make a slope safer to work on or remove it!

thus why again, might be better off hiring someone with right equipment for the job!

 

[lattoniere]

honestly we always rent, you get rid of the hassle of repairs and downtime of the machine, maybe an emergency happens that it rains or a storm comes and that if maybe it is handy in the garage you repair the road or the path or maybe you use it as a forklift to move heavy loads I would need a service machine ready for use with forks and a jib with a crane hook to lift big bags, forks for pallets thanks