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Message: <blockquote data-quote="skidsteer.ca" data-source="post: 9298" data-attributes="member: 307">Allan, allI know the Tracks Plus or 2 Plus tracks suffer from wet snow packing inside the pad. They work great in dry snow, though like most steel tracks are prone to sliding sideways, perhaps with the exception of the the diamond bar tracks.If I did alot of winter brushmowing I'd weld some small side biters on the track like are often added to cats and backhoes. But its not so  bad I can't live with it.I would'nt of thought the double bar tracks like the Grouser and Protracs would be prone to snow packing though. Good to know.I have  installed the Grouser, Loegering and Tracks Plus though and I can definitely vouch for the latter being much easier to install because the weight is more manageable. If you need to put them on or off alot or are prone to flat tires, think about thisIf you are looking to counter weight the machine for stability or to increase traction on firm ground then the heavy brands have a edge in this area. If your going for mud or swamp performance, go light.As far as traction goes the shape of the outside of the pad is not that critical except on snow/ice.As for any track being re buildable for ever though I should post some pics of my old Loegerings. It shows the significant amount of wear tracks get from the tire side. There is always sand and grit between the tire and the track and over the life of the track it takes it toll from the tire slipping on the inside too.I welded up those tracks with mig wire on the inside and hard surfacing on the outside. But the pivot pins were a rivot in so there was no easy repair there. I sold that machine and tracks a year later and to my knowledge they are still seeing limited service at a fellows cabin. However it was alot of work to build both sides up and dress the inside down so it was not too hard  on the tires. Also they could only be shortend 4 more inches and that was it. I felt the pivots were 1/2 used at the time I rebuilt them and the pads were a couple hundred hours from breaking down the centerFor the time and money I put into them to prevent the pad from breaking down the center, I know it would have been more cost effective to replace them with new. Considering what new ones can be had for now.One final point. I don't believe the difference in traction between one brand and another is near as large as the mfg's videos would like you to think. If you have never run tracks, any track will make a huge improvement in traction/pushing power on soft or loose soils. The heavier the track, the more you will sink into soft ground and the more stabil your machine will feel with a heavy load.Ken</blockquote>

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