Lx565 hydrolic oil change

[jerry]

To answer for Jerry. The "center" of the new hole will be 2 1/2" above the bottom edge of the removable plate, not 2 1/2" above the original plug. The reason for the drilled bolt is to allow oil to enter the gearbox. Without the drilled bolt there is no way for oil to enter. The reason for raising the check plug is to allow more oil to enter the gearbox. ------------------------------------------------------ Once you try and check or add oil to the gearboxes, you will see this is a better way. The last LS machines came with this update. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even if you had a drain plug on the reservoir, you would only get about 1/2 of the oil out because of the oil trapped in the hydro system, hydraulic lines and cylinder, cooler, ect. What I do is attach a hose to the bottom of one of the lift cylinders. If you look at the lift cylinder you will see a plug sticking out to the side of the cylinder. Start the engine an use your foot pedal to pump the oil out. Stop as soon as you see and hear coming out with the oil or the alarm sounds. You do not want to run the hydro pumps any longer than necessary. Before removing the plug make sure the boom is all the way down so there is no hyd pressure in the boom circuit. I usually raise the boom all the way up, shut the engine off, turn the key back on, do NOT start, and use the foot pedal to lower the boom all the way down to the ground. This will help remove some of the trapped oil.

Delly, I didn't make it clear that when you take the side cover off you will then see the gear reduction case cover inside the chain case. The bolt you replace is the lower front bolt in that cover. If you go to the ls160 on messicks .com you will see that bolt sold separately because it has a hole through it. I am in the process of trying to find out what height my new hole should have been so hold off on your mod for a day or so.
By the way if you have doubts about doing it check the oil in yours and try to add 75-90 gear oil till it is full. It will lead possibly to language little kids should not hear.
If anyone reading this has a 160 could you measure from bottom of the chain case to the fill plug and post that measurement here?

 

[jerry]

Delly, I didn't make it clear that when you take the side cover off you will then see the gear reduction case cover inside the chain case. The bolt you replace is the lower front bolt in that cover. If you go to the ls160 on messicks .com you will see that bolt sold separately because it has a hole through it. I am in the process of trying to find out what height my new hole should have been so hold off on your mod for a day or so.
By the way if you have doubts about doing it check the oil in yours and try to add 75-90 gear oil till it is full. It will lead possibly to language little kids should not hear.
If anyone reading this has a 160 could you measure from bottom of the chain case to the fill plug and post that measurement here?

Mike, just a update. Took the filler elbow off the gearcase and put a fitting in the new fill hole with a clear plastic line on it and poured oil in till it came out the hole where the gear filler had been. I gave it a hour to equalize in height and the level of oil in the plastic tube is one inch higher than the bottom of the new fill hole. I tried other ways of measuring but pretty hard to do it although it looked about the same. So tomorrow I'll get the right fittings and put a elbow on the new hole with a riser and see where the level ends up. Both cases were low going by the original filler. If I can come up with a measurement I will redo the side covers because there is no way I want to go back to the original.

 

[Mike10]

Mike, just a update. Took the filler elbow off the gearcase and put a fitting in the new fill hole with a clear plastic line on it and poured oil in till it came out the hole where the gear filler had been. I gave it a hour to equalize in height and the level of oil in the plastic tube is one inch higher than the bottom of the new fill hole. I tried other ways of measuring but pretty hard to do it although it looked about the same. So tomorrow I'll get the right fittings and put a elbow on the new hole with a riser and see where the level ends up. Both cases were low going by the original filler. If I can come up with a measurement I will redo the side covers because there is no way I want to go back to the original.

Jerry, the measurement I gave you came from measuring the hole location on a new side plate with the raised oil level location. This may or may not fill the gearbox to the elbow. There was a NH service bulletin about updating to the combined chain case and gear box oil supply. In the bulletin the only parts needed were new side covers and the bolts. I changed several over using new side covers but then the price for the new side covers increased over time to where it was economically more feasible to have a machine shop drill the hole and weld the bushing in the original plates. I would not worry if the oil level does not reach the elbows of the gearbox. I never checked where the oil level was on the units I updated since the development work was done by NH and was what was coming through on new units at that time. At the new raised plug of the side cover there is enough oil in the gearbox for the gear to pick it up and splash the rest of the components. Adding additional oil will not hurt but is unnecessary. By the way, what size hole did you put in the bolt. I have not measured one but it appears to be @ 1/4".

 

[jerry]

Jerry, the measurement I gave you came from measuring the hole location on a new side plate with the raised oil level location. This may or may not fill the gearbox to the elbow. There was a NH service bulletin about updating to the combined chain case and gear box oil supply. In the bulletin the only parts needed were new side covers and the bolts. I changed several over using new side covers but then the price for the new side covers increased over time to where it was economically more feasible to have a machine shop drill the hole and weld the bushing in the original plates. I would not worry if the oil level does not reach the elbows of the gearbox. I never checked where the oil level was on the units I updated since the development work was done by NH and was what was coming through on new units at that time. At the new raised plug of the side cover there is enough oil in the gearbox for the gear to pick it up and splash the rest of the components. Adding additional oil will not hurt but is unnecessary. By the way, what size hole did you put in the bolt. I have not measured one but it appears to be @ 1/4".

Thank you Mike, I'll just put it back together then. I think it was about 1/4 or 5/16 hole it was not too big because it isn't a very big bolt ,1/4 sounds about right. I'll bet there are a lot of machines running around with very little oil in them unless the dealer updated them.

 

[Mike10]

Thank you Mike, I'll just put it back together then. I think it was about 1/4 or 5/16 hole it was not too big because it isn't a very big bolt ,1/4 sounds about right. I'll bet there are a lot of machines running around with very little oil in them unless the dealer updated them.

If it is not checked I would think about 100% have little or no oil. In our area the elbows are buried in debris and nobody reads the operators manual.

 

[Patcon]

If it is not checked I would think about 100% have little or no oil. In our area the elbows are buried in debris and nobody reads the operators manual.

Does any one know the part number for this bolt? I can't find the break down at Messicks like they have for the LX665

 

[Mike10]

Does any one know the part number for this bolt? I can't find the break down at Messicks like they have for the LX665

The bolt part number is 86518704......................From your descriptiion of the EIC you have an early version which is subject to corrosion. Only solution is to replace it. The easiest way to check the EIC is to plug a different one into the system. Any of the LX and LS panels until 2003 will work, so if you know someone with one of those machines, you might borrow the panel and plug into your loader.