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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tazza" data-source="post: 10960" data-attributes="member: 82">For such a new machine it has done a lot of work! but you already noticed that. The LS170 is a good machine i'm sure Ken will pop his nose in as he has one and loves it. Depending on how much hay you will be moving you may want to get a bale grapple to make it easier to grab. As for drilling post holes, it really depends on your dirt, a skid steer really doesn't have a lot of down pressure at the arms to drill through rock. If you have nice soft soil a post hole borer will work well, but if you have a lot of rock you are wasting your time, you need an excavator which can apply a lot more pressure than a skidsteer can.The arms you speak of, you are talking about the vertical lift? Bobcat do have this style too but remember vertical lift has more pins so it will wear more and feel sloppy earlier.As you obviously live where it gets cold, make sure you try the machine out when the engine is stone cold. You need to see how worn it is by starting it cold. If it takes a lot to start its worn and will require a re-build soon. In cold weather it does take a bit of a glow to get it going but it shouldn't need excessive glowing.Good luck in your decision.</blockquote>