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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Land-Tech" data-source="post: 13013" data-attributes="member: 1679"><p>I see what you are saying. I tested the wires and found that when the key was in the run position red wire stays on, when you turn to the starting position wht wire stays hot until you switch back to run and then it goes off. I can't see the actual shaft move as it's inside the housing. The Kubota is exposed which is nice for a visual check. My connector to the solenoid has bare wires on the ignition side and was twisted and I think they might have shorted ans burned up the solenoid, I have to pull and find out. This machine does have a control module but I don't want to confuse the issue any more than I have. when I double checked against the Kubota, it has same wiring. red stays on the run position , wht stays on only for a second and shuts off whether turn the key back to run or not. Hook up the connector and it fires right up. Thanks for your patience Tazza and I will let you know how it goes.  Also should I edit my wild  ideas or leave in previous post? scott<img src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg301/LANDTEKK/PLOW%20PICS/P3070033Medium.jpg?t=1204936405" alt="P3070033Medium.jpg SMALL picture by LANDTEKK" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 665px" /></p></blockquote><p></p>