Appreciate the input Tazza. I have a Bobcat 732 of course with foot controls on which I find causes great knee pain after about 2 hours, so I need a more ergonomic machine next time. In my fifties, I am pretty sure my foot control days are over. It does look as if Bobcat's Selectable Joystick Control SJC system is well liked. Perhaps that option was available around 2000 =/- so used machines are in a good supply. One of the things I have noticed about the earlier Advanced Control System, is that it requires the direction arms to mount on. That seems awkward to me. I doubt I will seek such a machine. I also have a lot of hours on a Kubota SVL70 with the hydraulic joysticks, which were easy on my body. The problem with those machines, aside from the steep price, is the EPA Tier 4 exhaust system which is a total pain in the ass when it decides you need to stop work. ** Hey, is there any way to insert spaces or breaks into these posts? I can't find it. Browser issues maybe?**