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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Earthwerks Unlimited" data-source="post: 23863" data-attributes="member: 1300">Thanks for all the good tips! Reallly appreciate it.>>>I prefer appreciation in denominations of 10's or 20's, but happily credit/debit cards are acceptable too! LOL I was going to use the black stuff, but from what you have said I will go with the PVC. The PVC drain pipe we have around here has two rows of holes down the length. Holes are about 3/4" dia and the rows are at about 4 o'clock and 8 oclock when looking at the end. Does this sound like the right stuff?>>>Yup. I found "filter socks" that go over the pipe and keep the sediment out,so I probably wont need the straw.>>>>Sock isn't cheap, or is it?I dug a test hole tonight, and hit water at 24", so I figure I can trench it, back fill to get proper slope, then lay the pipe in and see if water will flow out the end...good check to see if I have it layed right.>>>Yup, but what did you decide to use to do trenching?I read 1/4" fall per foot run. What means on a 50 foot run I will have about 1 foot fall. Do I really need that much?>>>Yup. Otherwise, it won't drain as quickly. I like to slope is steeply as possbile whenever I can--just 'cause.>>>When you place backfill to hold the pipe in place and backfill in general don't let big clumps or rocks touch the pipe within 6 or so inches. Otherwise they will collapse the pipe when fully compacted.A few years ago I trenched about 1500 feet for a local farmer about 4 feet deep. He laid his own pipe and backfilled. Me thinks he did a half assed job because the same area is flooded. He made the comment after I trenched that it doesn't matter about slope and fall so long as the end of it empties into the creek. Wrongo. I did the neighbor's land right next to the old farmer's too about 600 feet, which we did correctly and lasered it as we went. Perfect drainage. That was done with the black perforated pipe but the guy I did it for was meticulous about holding the pipe down while I backfilled every few feet. He was and is still very happy with it. While I trenching a nother neighbor came over for a oook-see and told us that when was a kid 40 years ago they hand dug all the clay tiles which were at the excat same level I was digging at. But that's the way they used to do it--all by hand. My back aches even writing that!</blockquote>

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