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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bobcat_ron" data-source="post: 21232" data-attributes="member: 1066">"Ron implies that Bobcat doesn't run its hydraulic oil through a cooler.  Not true.  Ron implies that electrically-driven add-on's to a diesel-powered system improve efficiency.  Not true.  Ron throws out numbers and percentages like an engineer with a math degree.  I would like to see the figures.  Ron is a CAT salesman." Uh, no, I am not a sales person for Cat.  And if you are indeed a mechanic, you will know that anytime you take away auxiliary mechanically driven tools (like an alternator, A/C or fuel pump) you keep the power that the engine makes, I noticed with my old T190 (and newer models) that when the A/C is activated, the engine idle RPM suddenly drops a bit and the power just isn't there, with Cat (and presumably Deere) running the A/C on a remote set up, they don't lose that power since only electrical energy is needed from the alternator.Cat has figured out how to make the D7 dozer work better by using an electrical generator powered by the engine, it worked and they now have cut the engine power down to 200 hp, down from 240.I do know that Bobcat runs their oil through a radiator, but their whole system is not nearly as efficient as Cat and other names that use an open circut (Thomas) if you do a lot of attachment work where continuous flow is needed, the open circuits are better for cooling and heat eats up power.What is more efficient?  2 radiators stacked on top of each other or 1 single radiator that has both the coolant and hydraulic coolers built in a 70/30 fashion?I realize that other names (like even my favourite CTL, Takeuchi) run double stacked rads (A/C being separate) but even their oil heats up fast.  Thomas was one of the first skid steers I was introduced to as a youngster and I was shown the differences, the T133 I ran for a week sure took a while to heat up the oil when digging compared to the Deere/Bobcat/Mustang models we had. And yes, you can cut off the tracks off a Cat/ASV MTL in a few passes, but you can also do the same to a set of tires.  Big deal. It all comes down to how you operate these CTL's, running over sharp rocks and cutting up the sidewalls with a SSL will do the same amount of damage to a CTL/MTL over time, it's all how you operate them.I am not biased to Cat, if I had to do this all over again, I would have ended up with a Takeuchi TL130/230, and if Cat doesn't come out with a CTL in the medium frame in 2 years, then Takeuchi it will be.Cat may not always be the best when stacked against the competition, but from what I have learned over the years, anyone who has operated a Bobcat, is very comfortable in a Cat just because their machines are built and designed in almost the same fashio that Bobcat is, where as Deere and Case are very odd, Deere feels like you are sitting in a bath tub and you can't see your tires, Case feels like you are sitting in a fridge with a narrow cab.I have settled quite nicely with my Cat, yes I miss the higher ROC, but I needed the size that I have been accustomed to, not the power or undercarriage life, I needed 66" of width, less ground pressure, more floatation, more traction, comfortable cab and reliability were high on  the list, The T180 was close, but not on the reliability scale, Takeuchi was almost even, but they were too tall in the LxWxH chart.</blockquote>

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