thanks Ken I'm going to look at a S185. It is suppose to have all the option's offered in 2004. Hi flow, hand or foot controls, AC. It also has extra set of aux hyd. I've never operated the newer Bobcats. It may be a change from my 853. Hope it's for the best.Pdf manuals are available for many machines at
http://www.tradebit.com/
@ $ 30 US for many machines
Pay and download your copy.
I put this up in the FAQ section, they seem to have quite a few for skids, I got the service manual for my ls160 there, the download gave me some stactic but got it all after a few attempt (might be my satelite conection) otherwise great deal as Nh sell a different manual for each section of the machine
Ken