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Hello everyone, and Happy 4th of July to all the American members here!

I've been a farmer for about a decade and no, I'm not one of those corporate guys heading for the mountains. Worked in real estate and figured I needed a change of scenery and this one seemed to do the trick for me. The farm started small and I gradually built it up to where it is now. I love how it grew over the years but that means I'll need some machinery to help me out and I was thinking a skidsteer, but with no experience I'm going to need all the help I can get. Not sure about the brands, usability, prices or even if it's something I should consider.

I will dig around the forum to see what you guys posted and I would appreciate it if you'd give me your thoughts about this.
 
Great question and one that can't really be answered in a sentence or two.

Since 1968, my family has had a small 5-acre farm and we have done everything with tractors up until about 5 years ago when my brother upgraded to a new bobcat and gave me his old one. I've used the bobcat around the farm doing all kinds of work, but it excels mostly at cleaning stalls and chicken coups. This may be due to the huge 6-foot material bucket. Three trips with a tractor was just one with the bobcat. This is good and bad, as i am 68 years old, and kinda liked the break between shoveling. :-)

Another negative for me is maintenance. Bobcats cram a lot of machine into a very small place and I have found them to be a pain to work on compared to any tractor I’ve owned. For instance, I recently had to swap hydraulic hoses that were under the cab. This required removing the motor. This is actually a simple job, but takes more time. On a tractor, it’s a snap (most of the time). Also, bobcats can really tear up a lawn. Even if being careful!

Advice I got ages ago was, “start with a bobcat and end with a tractor”. What he meant was for grading and digging and setting things up on a property, the bobcat ruled, but once everything was done, the tractor was king. I really agreed with this.

If you have younger helpers who think they are invulnerable (like we all were) a bobcat is, in my opinion, a more dangerous machine. It must be respected. Not sure I know anyone who has tipped a tractor, but I do know people who have tipped bobcats. They really need to be respected.

If I could only have one, it’d be the tractor every time, but I do like my bobcat for other things. Throw some forks on a bobcat and it is way better than a tractor because of load visibility.

That said, i would google "tractor vs Skid steer" and watch a bunch of the videos. There's some damn good wisdom there and much i agree with.

So, sorry if I rambled and really didn’t answer your question, but I do hope I shed some light on the subject…..
 
first off welcome to the site

and ZekeSkyree, hit on a few things to consider

BUT I thibnk the bigger question I would be asking myself if I was in your shoes is
WHAT do a I need a machine to do?
and on what kind of terrain

skids steers honestly work best and safest on LEVEL ground
as soon s you get into uneven, sloped hilly ground, things get tippy fast and can be dangerous

next is, most all skid steers , do NOT allow a person to exit machine while bucket or boom is in use

where as on a tractor with a front end loader,
you can lift things,hook things up , with you having the option to get off tractor so assist or what ever needed

there are a LOT of pro's and con's top both

but what typically ends the battle on what you need, is being honest with what your going to be needing a machine again for

to you have a lot of acre's? are many of them if so in grass or fields that need mowing, planting or likes
if so
a tractor wins here by a lot IMO

older tractors can be had cheap if your willing to shop around and fix things yourself
and as such can be cheaper machines to own and use
as even smaller HP tractors can do a lot of chores on a farm
brush hogging, back blade leveling, turning ground over, add a loader to it, and you can lift and move things, add forks to either dedicated set of bucket mounted one's and that loader tractor can do a lot more things

and most tractors again are way less tippy, and allow you to get on and off safely with loader/forks and many other implements in use, and on hills and un even ground!

and IMO< a decent sized tractor even two wheel drive ones, will go farther in MUD without getting stuck than your basic wheels skid steer!
draw back to tractors IMO, are they need more room to turn around, not as many implements for other tasks(buty this also depends on what skid steer size and implements it can actually use/run, NOT all skid steers have same abilities, just like tractors, and don't forget skid steers can be had in wheeled versions and tracked ones(commonly called CTL compact tracked loaders, but are basically just a skid steer built to run tracks) , and some wheeled ones can have tracks added, to provide better traction and flotation !
they then add more pro's and con's to things, but thats another topic, !

HP and Hydraulic flow rates and just over all size matters on both.thpe as to what they can do , do well, or better or not at all!

IMO, the best way to decide is do a very honest assessment of what you want a machine to do!

then maybe come back and ask again, if looking for better idea on size machine

from there you can maybe look for what is recommend or, rent some and try them and see what fits your needs better!

lastly also keep in mind and be honest with what your skills are in doing repairs yourself
as if your not the one working on things, labor costs on repairs can add up VERY fast

so an honest evaluation on your skills is a part of what to buy to be honest!






 
I've got a Bobcat 863 and 864 which is the tracked version of the 863 and I find them differently useful. Also Deere 4400 and 595 which are compact utility and lawn tractors that get no less use even with two Bobcats running around. Nothing beats a rock grapple or high weed mower or 4-in-1 bucket. Given those biases I think the OP is on the right path.

As to brand, the one you have a local shop or dealer for is the best. As to size, I found the 743 under powered at 36hp for land reshaping and that the 863/864 at 73hp is my sweet spot. Your experience may vary. As to age, I prefer the older machines since electronics complexity is a primary driver for unreliability. Also they are cheaper :-).
 
I have to second what MRBB said, It's all in what you need the machine to do. I run a Bobcat 731. I use it for snow removal, landscaping and material handling. It doesn't dig very well, so if I need to dig I have to go rent something for that. Again to echo, if you buy an older machine, it's cheaper but you need to be honest about what you can handle. The machine may be cheaper initially but you wind up paying the mechanic instead of the seller if you can't fix it yourself. Case in point, I'm a good industrial mechanic and fabricator but not a diesel mechanic. My machine currently has a leak at the high pressure fuel injection pump. I can't isolate it and I've done all I know to do so I am now looking at hauling it to the dealer for service. Oh, and one more thing, the older the machine, the harder it is to find parts.
 
also keep in mind older skids steers, many do NOT have the hydraulic GPH flow rates to ruin a lot of modern implements, nor do many even have hook up to run many implements
making them unable to use many rental attachments
and also, many OLDER skid steers might not have as much electrical gadgets and parts, or(newer yet have emission related parts to worry about)

but many older machines are NOT the easiest to work on many parts, due to designs

many do NOT have easy flip the Cab options to get to work on certain things
requiring either a second machine or crane or like lift!
where as more modern skid steers(CTL's) tend to have easy flip cabs, higher flow rates, controls and hook ups to run most all modern implements

so like everything, there are pro's and con's

and this again fully relates to what type of work you want to be able to do as to what to maybe look at to buy!
 
I've got 2, 40yr old analog machines - a JD 750 TLB and a Bobcat 843 Isuzu. I had no experience with either - using or fixing - got them both as a hobby - not for livelyhood (like learning how systems work, fixing machines etc). I also don't really use the 'tractoring' aspect of the tractor much - no farm, just a moderate sized yard. I use it as a loader and backhoe 90% of the time.

That said - a few of my opinions after 2 years.
  • Bobcat will destroy lawn - 2x weight plus the 'skidding' dynamics.
  • Bobcat gets stuck in mud easily. 4wd tractor always gets out... it may not have enough traction to do work, but wont get stuck.
  • Bobcat is a monster - so much more power and capacity, obviously.
  • Bobcat is harder to work on and more costly parts. Harder to access/reach and heavy. Good luck moving it if it breaks down in the field.
  • Bobcat way more maneuverable if surface damage isn't a problem.
  • Long wheelbase on tractor makes grading type work harder/skill wise.
  • Bobcat is more fun, but both are fun.
  • Tractor (mine) lacks a QA on the loader so can't rent attachments.
  • Tractor much slower hydraulics, and obviously can't run many things due to that.
  • Bobcat would be better for snow/driveway - maneuverability.
  • Bobcat can pick up tractor. Tractor can't pick up bobcat.
  • I don't but you can mow, plow, etc, etc with a tractor.
If I had to keep one, I'd keep the tractor and make a QA attachment for it so I can rent basic stuff. The few times I want real heavy power, I could rent. I'm not usually in a huge rush or on the clock, so it makes more sense for me, even without farm/field type work. The bobcat is more fun to just go out and wreak pointless havoc with though.
 
I knew asking the experts would be a good idea :)

Based on all of your comments, a tractor would be a lot better option than anything else I thought of. Any models recommendations?
 
I knew asking the experts would be a good idea :)

Based on all of your comments, a tractor would be a lot better option than anything else I thought of. Any models recommendations?
again, its really based on what your needs are of a machine
this directly related to what size tractor, what type, what options, and so on, t will need to meat your needs!

this is directly related to size of tractor, down to the tires it comes with
AG tires are more for dirt work, NOT grass and so on

maybe try starting a post on what you want a machine for, and ask then for recommendation
 
My general rule is evaluate my needs, then look at the next machine up. If the cons (for the next size up) outweighs the pros of the smaller machine, than smaller machine is what I look for. If the pros for the larger machine wins out then the larger machine is what I look for.

Now all that said, before "retiring" we had a large property where a tractor was the only logical choice.

Currently we have less than a 1/3 of an acre. That same tractor would have been nearly useless here, so now it is a skid steer getting regular use. Now full disclosure, the skid steer likely be moving on in the not to distant future, to be replaced with a mini-excavator, because of the property changes we have made, the skid steer cannot access the back of the property.

Finally, I NEVER purposely buy a machine with electronics, in my experience they are just more expensive to maintain. For example, my machine is 35 years old, and has been well maintained. A friend of mine has a 2 year old machine, his maintenance costs are SIGNIFCANTLY higher than mine, for 2 reasons. 1) I do my own maintenance, he doesn't, 2) his machine has to be hooked up to a computer just to find out what is wrong and the recommended course of repair.

Just my two cents, good luck with your search. Let us know how it turns out and after some seat time your observations on pro/cons, etc.
 
Hello everyone, and Happy 4th of July to all the American members here!

I've been a farmer for about a decade and no, I'm not one of those corporate guys heading for the mountains. Worked in real estate and figured I needed a change of scenery and this one seemed to do the trick for me. The farm started small and I gradually built it up to where it is now. I love how it grew over the years but that means I'll need some machinery to help me out and I was thinking a skidsteer, but with no experience I'm going to need all the help I can get. Not sure about the brands, usability, prices or even if it's something I should consider.

I will dig around the forum to see what you guys posted and I would appreciate it if you'd give me your thoughts about this.
I have a nice 2012 S770 Bobcat for sale. It is rated to life 3300 pounds and has a "tipping" load of 6600 pounds!!!

It is all the machine you will ever need because it has high-flow hydraulics and you can use, literally ANY. attachment you want to use. on t!!! Ii has a big, 93hp Kubota turbo diesel engine, all new tires and a fresh oil change and it's ready to rock!

Go ahead and look around and you'll see that, at $15,500 it is the cheapest S770 on the internet!!!!

It's located in Sterling, Illinois. if you need it shipped I can help you with that too, because I used t be a trucker.

PHONE CALLS ONLY PLEASE. Phil - 815-440-9057
 

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If you've been farming I assume you have tractor(s) and loader. If your ground is reasonably flat maybe a wheeled skid steer is all you need. We have 188 acres near the Missouri River about half and half crop land and pasture. I bought a 2011 Bobcat S650 in 2013, and have used it for all kinds of things but mostly cutting cedar trees, tearing out trees in fence lines and building new pasture fence. They are really great for a lot of things, including lifting heavy things so you don't have to. If you stay under 75 hp I believe you can avoid having to deal with DEF. For us we decided we could only have one machine to start with and coming from a farm and knowing what a skid steer can do, knowing what I needed to do, the skid steer was a great choice for us. We don't rent out the crop land and the pasture, but we seem to get involved in fixing up the fences that were neglected for a lot of years.
 
Boy I tell you what - I imagine the old machines are worse in this regard but I just had to replace the main hose going to the main control valve stack on my late 1980's Bobcat 843 and it was a nightmare (for a hose). I was starting to think I'd have to pull every other hose and hardline out just to get to it, but I bought a set of "service wrenches" at Harbor Freight and was able to get one on it after cracking it with a crows foot+extension+ratchet+wood-block which took me a half our just to pry out the crows foot... could get one finger on it.

Definitely don't underestimate the difficulty in servicing from a tractor - especially old non-ergonomic machines. I'm not a mechanic, but I'm 56 and have never paid someone to fix any of my cars or equipment, and this thing is a hassle to work on. It's just about access really - getting in position and reaching the thing you need to fix.... it's not that it's built poorly or overly complex.
 
Boy I tell you what - I imagine the old machines are worse in this regard but I just had to replace the main hose going to the main control valve stack on my late 1980's Bobcat 843 and it was a nightmare (for a hose). I was starting to think I'd have to pull every other hose and hardline out just to get to it, but I bought a set of "service wrenches" at Harbor Freight and was able to get one on it after cracking it with a crows foot+extension+ratchet+wood-block which took me a half our just to pry out the crows foot... could get one finger on it.

Definitely don't underestimate the difficulty in servicing from a tractor - especially old non-ergonomic machines. I'm not a mechanic, but I'm 56 and have never paid someone to fix any of my cars or equipment, and this thing is a hassle to work on. It's just about access really - getting in position and reaching the thing you need to fix.... it's not that it's built poorly or overly complex.
Yep, got an 89 bobcat 642 with the Ford gas motor. A couple years back I needed to replace 2 hoses under the cab. Pulled the motor and replaced all of them. Why? Two reasons. One was access, as I needed to pull other hoses to get to the ones I needed to replace, and two, at 68 years old, I'll not have to replace them again... Though my son might

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Yep, got an 89 bobcat 642 with the Ford gas motor. A couple years back I needed to replace 2 hoses under the cab. Pulled the motor and replaced all of them. Why? Two reasons. One was access, as I needed to pull other hoses to get to the ones I needed to replace, and two, at 68 years old, I'll not have to replace them again... Though my son might

:-)
Ugh - the motor? Was no surprise this one hose was the most chewed up and old of anything on the machine. I think P.O. gave up and decided was time to sell before he had to replace it. Finally popped on me, so I'm changing it out in the woods of course.
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Ugh - the motor? Was no surprise this one hose was the most chewed up and old of anything on the machine. I think P.O. gave up and decided was time to sell before he had to replace it. Finally popped on me, so I'm changing it out in the woods of course.
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One of the tools I always keep handy for skid steers is a “sink basin wrench”. It was the only tool that I could get to some of the hoses on my A300. They are pretty amazing even though a last resort. The head swivels and the jaws are spring loaded. The handles can be pretty long also.
 

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