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Let's revisit the oil vs. hydraulic question???
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<blockquote data-quote="TriHonu" data-source="post: 12735" data-attributes="member: 897"><p>The science of oil technology is probably far more complex than any of us wants to take the time to study. All petroleum based oils are produced from crude oil that has been refined into specific oils with additives added to optimize its performance for specific applications.</p><p>My manual on Industrial Fluid Power makes the following points:</p><p>1. Ordinary high quality motor oil is not recommended for general hydraulic use because it does not have some of the characteristics which are desirable in hydraulic applications. It is often used in simple systems due to its cost compared to the cost of the equipment.</p><p>2. Hydraulic oils are manufactured with a specific viscosity to provide adequate flow that not only powers the circuit but also lubricates the system components. It also has additives that control the Viscosity Index (VI). The VI is the range of viscosity change as the temperature of the oil changes. There are numerous additives for Anti-Foaming, Oxidation Resistance, Rust Inhibitors and Demulsifying Agents that help separate any water that enters the system from the oil. All these factors and many more are considered when the primary function of hydraulic oil is power transmission, not lubrication.</p><p>Bobcat recommends hydraulic fluid changes at 1000 hours or when the system has been opened for repair or when you identify the oil is contaminated. So for most of our equipment you may have changed the oil once or twice in you loader. Considering there is no procedure identified by Bobcat to totally drain the system, only the reservoir, we are really only talking about 10-12 gallons at most. The last 2.5 gallon jug of Hydraulic oil cost me $22.30 and the hydraulic filter was $33.78 so rounding up less than $100 for the fluid change. Considering the cost to purchase the loader and the cost per hour to operate this is not a high dollar preventive maintenance item. However the cost to repair failed hydraulic/hydrostatic components will empty a wallet in a hurry.<img src="https://www.skidsteerforum.com/DesktopModules/AdverForums/ImageGallery/emotion-9.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> It does not make sense to me to try to save a couple of dollars by using motor oil in the hydraulics. </p><p>Yes motor oil will allow the hydraulics to function. My neighbor uses non detergent motor oil in his hydraulics. He buys it in bulk and runs it in all his equipment and has not had any problems. However he does not run/own any hydraulic attachments. I on the other hand do run a snow blower, soil preparer and backhoe that put a significant and sustained load on my hydraulics on top of the normal loads.</p><p>Contamination of the oil is the enemy and you hydrostatic drive is much more sensitive to contamination than the rest of the system. I change my filters and oils much more frequently than the manual recommends. To me it is cheap insurance<img src="https://www.skidsteerforum.com/DesktopModules/AdverForums/ImageGallery/emotion-5.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>One of the trade magazines ran an article not too long ago about particulate contamination in hydraulic systems. There are a number of companies now making filtering machines that will pull hydraulic fluid out of your reservoir tank and filter it and return it to the system while you machine sits at idle. Some of the big contractors are using this technology to significantly extend the life of their larger equipment. These high performance filters will filter out much more than the installed factory filters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TriHonu, post: 12735, member: 897"] The science of oil technology is probably far more complex than any of us wants to take the time to study. All petroleum based oils are produced from crude oil that has been refined into specific oils with additives added to optimize its performance for specific applications. My manual on Industrial Fluid Power makes the following points: 1. Ordinary high quality motor oil is not recommended for general hydraulic use because it does not have some of the characteristics which are desirable in hydraulic applications. It is often used in simple systems due to its cost compared to the cost of the equipment. 2. Hydraulic oils are manufactured with a specific viscosity to provide adequate flow that not only powers the circuit but also lubricates the system components. It also has additives that control the Viscosity Index (VI). The VI is the range of viscosity change as the temperature of the oil changes. There are numerous additives for Anti-Foaming, Oxidation Resistance, Rust Inhibitors and Demulsifying Agents that help separate any water that enters the system from the oil. All these factors and many more are considered when the primary function of hydraulic oil is power transmission, not lubrication. Bobcat recommends hydraulic fluid changes at 1000 hours or when the system has been opened for repair or when you identify the oil is contaminated. So for most of our equipment you may have changed the oil once or twice in you loader. Considering there is no procedure identified by Bobcat to totally drain the system, only the reservoir, we are really only talking about 10-12 gallons at most. The last 2.5 gallon jug of Hydraulic oil cost me $22.30 and the hydraulic filter was $33.78 so rounding up less than $100 for the fluid change. Considering the cost to purchase the loader and the cost per hour to operate this is not a high dollar preventive maintenance item. However the cost to repair failed hydraulic/hydrostatic components will empty a wallet in a hurry.[IMG]https://www.skidsteerforum.com/DesktopModules/AdverForums/ImageGallery/emotion-9.gif[/IMG] It does not make sense to me to try to save a couple of dollars by using motor oil in the hydraulics. Yes motor oil will allow the hydraulics to function. My neighbor uses non detergent motor oil in his hydraulics. He buys it in bulk and runs it in all his equipment and has not had any problems. However he does not run/own any hydraulic attachments. I on the other hand do run a snow blower, soil preparer and backhoe that put a significant and sustained load on my hydraulics on top of the normal loads. Contamination of the oil is the enemy and you hydrostatic drive is much more sensitive to contamination than the rest of the system. I change my filters and oils much more frequently than the manual recommends. To me it is cheap insurance[IMG]https://www.skidsteerforum.com/DesktopModules/AdverForums/ImageGallery/emotion-5.gif[/IMG] One of the trade magazines ran an article not too long ago about particulate contamination in hydraulic systems. There are a number of companies now making filtering machines that will pull hydraulic fluid out of your reservoir tank and filter it and return it to the system while you machine sits at idle. Some of the big contractors are using this technology to significantly extend the life of their larger equipment. These high performance filters will filter out much more than the installed factory filters. [/QUOTE]
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