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xtreem3d

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hi guys, got to test drive a few LS 180 -185"s and IMO there is just no comparison as to how much better the new hollands are over the the 2 bobcats i own so i'm going to sell both of mine but wanted to get some feedback on the engines that are in the newer models compared to the kubota engines in my bobcats, thanks, steve
 

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NH use their own engines, they are very good but are a bit expensive to repair/replace. Ken or Charger are the guys in the know about these. I got a price to replace a dead engine for a LS170 i think it was, they wanted $8,000 from memory, maybe a touch more.
But as i said, they are very good engines, probably just as good as Kubota just not as cheap.
 

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NH use their own engines, they are very good but are a bit expensive to repair/replace. Ken or Charger are the guys in the know about these. I got a price to replace a dead engine for a LS170 i think it was, they wanted $8,000 from memory, maybe a touch more.
But as i said, they are very good engines, probably just as good as Kubota just not as cheap.
Steve I believe that is a four cylinder Ford engine. Mine is a threecyl.turbo. Both engines have same bore and stroke. 4.25 bore.
I have a lx865 [late 90's]. I think they are using the same engine in the new ones.The ls180. The engine I have has a lot of parts that are interchangable with ford tractors. I believe Ford have been making the has been making for many years.
Parts are dealer only. I bought mine with a thrown rod. Basket case. I needed a new rod and a piston. Rod was $126 piston was $250.I found used rod for 65 an piston for 75.From a tractor salvage yard.I had all three cyls sleeved back to standard.$165 per cyl.Beats 250 each for three oversized pistons.It cost me $3200 to rebuild. machine shop work and parts I assembled.The thrown rod Broke clean in half. The previous owner started it on a 5 degree f morning and it just broke.The engine had about 3000 hours on it.
The rod and main bearings didnt look to bad. Valves looked fair. I had crank ground and the head done .A gaket set, rod and main bearings and rings was about $1200.I had daves car quest in warrinton do my machining. I have about 50 hours on it. Its strong.I cant compare to a bobcat, this is my first skid steer. 12x16.5 foam filled with loegering tracks, I get full buckets of our virgin Misouri clay. Tazza is right a reman.short block was about 5000 . I dont trust anyone. I assemble my own. IVE BEEN BURNED .Call the dealer and ask them if they are still using ford engines in the two largest models . I dont want to give bad info. There is a lot of cast iron in those engines.Mike
 

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As of Jan 1, 2008 production of the L180 & L185 have the new Tier III Iveco engine from FPT ( Fiat Power Train ). They both are 4 cylinder turbo charged engines, which are much smoother than the previous engines. This new engine seems to compare very nicely with the Kubota, which is also a smooth running engine. Engine power also is increase with these new engines.
 

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As of Jan 1, 2008 production of the L180 & L185 have the new Tier III Iveco engine from FPT ( Fiat Power Train ). They both are 4 cylinder turbo charged engines, which are much smoother than the previous engines. This new engine seems to compare very nicely with the Kubota, which is also a smooth running engine. Engine power also is increase with these new engines.
I can't speak on the larger models. The 160 and 170 use a 4 cylinder Ishukwajima Machinery Co engine, made in Japan and serviced under New Holland in the west. The 170 has a turbo and a different cylinder head. They compare equally with Kubota imo, but aftermarket parts are not available to my knowledge.
For the DIY guys I'm sure a 2203 Kubota would slide right in a 160 or 170 with minor effort.
So it sound like they source engine from a few different mfgs.
Ken
 
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I can't speak on the larger models. The 160 and 170 use a 4 cylinder Ishukwajima Machinery Co engine, made in Japan and serviced under New Holland in the west. The 170 has a turbo and a different cylinder head. They compare equally with Kubota imo, but aftermarket parts are not available to my knowledge.
For the DIY guys I'm sure a 2203 Kubota would slide right in a 160 or 170 with minor effort.
So it sound like they source engine from a few different mfgs.
Ken
did any of the more recent models (not an '08)have a 3cyl Cummins turbo in them?
 

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My '03 Ls180 has a very loud engine--so loud including the gear whine from the pumps that New Holland gave me $13,000 off on a new one and paid off my '03 (read: I threatened to sue, and that was their peace offering). The decibel meter showed 85-95 dB. OSHA only allows an 8-hour time-weighted exposure of 80dB. Ironically, the '05 is even louder--100-110 dB which is up there with a jet engine so I'm told. My dealer was not happy when he asked me if I was happy with the sound levels and I told him what I found (we both have sound meters). Now he isn't so inquisitive. All in all I'm happy with my '05 Ls185.b 2-speed. Big and strong--like my women...errr...skid steers. Yeah, that's it: skid steers. My New Holland TC33D tractor is also loud for a 33p diesel. It's the same engine, except the turbo, used on the Ls170.
 
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My '03 Ls180 has a very loud engine--so loud including the gear whine from the pumps that New Holland gave me $13,000 off on a new one and paid off my '03 (read: I threatened to sue, and that was their peace offering). The decibel meter showed 85-95 dB. OSHA only allows an 8-hour time-weighted exposure of 80dB. Ironically, the '05 is even louder--100-110 dB which is up there with a jet engine so I'm told. My dealer was not happy when he asked me if I was happy with the sound levels and I told him what I found (we both have sound meters). Now he isn't so inquisitive. All in all I'm happy with my '05 Ls185.b 2-speed. Big and strong--like my women...errr...skid steers. Yeah, that's it: skid steers. My New Holland TC33D tractor is also loud for a 33p diesel. It's the same engine, except the turbo, used on the Ls170.
mine (185)apparently has the cummins/iveko engine and i really hadn't noticed it being any louder than my old s250 or 763 but just for kicks i will fire mine up tomorrow and listen, i don't have a db meter...curious if the loud gear whine on NH is just normal?. the one i bought isn't really bad but worse than bobcat . i leased another one (180)for the winter and it was so loud i have to believe there was something wrong but it ran great, steve
 

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mine (185)apparently has the cummins/iveko engine and i really hadn't noticed it being any louder than my old s250 or 763 but just for kicks i will fire mine up tomorrow and listen, i don't have a db meter...curious if the loud gear whine on NH is just normal?. the one i bought isn't really bad but worse than bobcat . i leased another one (180)for the winter and it was so loud i have to believe there was something wrong but it ran great, steve
Steve I have that gear whine also. I checked the gear oil and was good. I think its because the gear reduction box is bolted directly to the frame. the chain case is a big hollow box. It could magnify the sound. Mine sound like an old 50 ford one ton .when Im traveling at full speed.I would like to hear from other N/H owners about this. Hope its normal. Mike
 

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LS180's: They use gear-driven pumps off the flywheel which is where the gear whine comes from. NH said it was a $4000 fix to reduce the noise on my old one---BUT they said it was a guarantee that it would actually fix it--so they let me either pass on fixing the LS180 OR give me $13,000 off on a new LS185.b. Duh! Gimme the the 185.b! Then the other machine: LS18.b...it uses inline-drive or direct-couple pumps which are very quiet. HOWEVER, it's the engine that is loud now. I think the LS180 engine was loud too but the gear whine overtook it. Oh yeah, I had many people tell me my LS180 was going to explode when it was in 2-speed. Talk about gear whine!
 

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