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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steveo631" data-source="post: 66128" data-attributes="member: 9212"><p>hi thanks for the last two replies, I was wondering about bits of the hose getting into the system which could be a possibility... I have checked the port block filter and there was a lot of dirt which it looks like its been there for years but couldn't see and bits of rubber/metal etc so its doing its job as inside the filter was immaculate. Whats the chances of two of the motors having problems starting the same time straight away and allow creeping forward? would a relief valve give this problem if had muck in it? Is there a common valve supplying both motors at the same time, whats the small pipe going onto the hydraulic motors that tees off from a central small block for, does anyone know? selector valve...? im running out of ideas and what makes it worse is its fine forward and was happening before a changed fluid and pipe lol Many thanks for everyones help so far.</p></blockquote><p></p>