3 point chisel plow usage???

[Johnlopp90]

Hi. Im very very new to skid steers. I am trying get a motocross track up and running, and plan to use a skid steer for pretty much everything once it's built. I grew up farming and such, so I am confident in running and maintaining equipment, but I'm not 100% sure what all a skid steer can do..

My main question is, can a skid steer with a 3 point adapter pull a 7 shank chisel plow efficiently (as in it won't destroy the machine mostly)?? I'm assuming if it can pull a chisel plow, it can pull 1000 gal of water on a trailer? What horse power and weight would be best?

I see a handful of takeuchi tl6r in my area priced reasonably. I hear they're simple and reliable. Also, my Dodge 1500 sport is rated to pull that weight and more, so that's something to keep in mind. But, is that skid steer big enough to rip with a chisel plow? I'm not trying to go 18 in deep lol more like 6-12 in..

If not, any suggestions on machinery? Thanks!

 

[foton]

so are you gonna put a hitch on the back as you say pull, or are you gonna try to push it off the front with a 3 point hook up attachment to skid steer converter? I am kinda guessing here but I would think a gear to gear transmission in a tractor would have would be best for plowing ground, I kinow using a single point sub soiler is tuff on hydrostatic type trans. even on a tractor.

 

[mrbb]

OK< I am sure a mid sized skid steer can PULL a plow, pending the ground type

BUT your going to be killing the skid steer doing so
same as if you used your truck, as its not the weight of the plow that's the issue, its the resistance that is added to things when the plow is sunk and tearing up the ground
the amount of resistance on a plow is a many times more than the weight of it alone
then add in the slow going while plowing, and your going to be over taxing your cooling system,
trucks and skid steers are not made to pull hard loads going slow, for long periods of time, there just not the tool for the task!

NEXT< if you add a 3 point hitch some how to the back of a skid steer, your going to forfeit a ton of approach and departure angles on the machine, which when wanting to make a motorcross track, , your not going to do very well there, as trying to make hills, table tops and such9I have 30+ yrs of MX racing under my belt)
SO< that's going to make maintaining and building a track that much harder using a skid steer to do so!

to be completely honest, there really isn;'t a one machine do it all for a track

BUT< if dead set on using a skid steer(and I'd make sure its got enough hydraulic flow capacity for implements your considering)
larger skid steers would be my suggestion,, that said,
I suggest you start looking at soil cultivators/conditioners with carbide teeth(again pending the soil type you have)
they will mount on the front of the skid steer and make a nice smooth track for you , after things get rutted up, or just want to make a track! they will allow you to form more things and level tracks in general!
so, IMO it will do a much better job than a chisel plow will(I also have about 40 yrs of farming experience, so understand what a chisel plow does) )

IF your DEAD set to use your truck to pull a plow, (I have done close to this, using a 3/4 ton gas pick up to pull a 8 ft gang disc, old school disc, no hydraulic down force, to put in some remote food plots at my hunting camp, where we didn;t have tractors to use
and it can be done, it is extremely hard on the truck, and it found weak links pretty quick, like axle u joints and drive shaft u joints,
and had to stop a few times to let things cool down
I really would NOT recommend doing this to a truck you like, and again, I would NOT try it with a chisel plow, way more resistance with one of them , but I gather one COULD do so, just you'd be shortening he life of your trucks drive train and motor! IMO!

have you visited any local tracks, to ask for there input on machines?
most I know swear by having a dozer, due to there ability to have 6 way adjustments on blades and less tippy! when forming things

and a few other machines as well, due to again, no one machine does it all!
sorry maybe not what you wanted to hear, but just honest advice!

 

[Johnlopp90]

I never wanted to use my truck to pull a chisel plow.. I meant use my truck to haul the skid steer around! Lol hence me looking into the smaller stature like a tl6r.

And I mean pull the chisel plow with the skid steer moving in reverse. I've seen some quick attach 3 point adapters that allow you to pull things in reverse. I've seen a few "ripper" type attachments, but they look ineffective for a legit track prep.

I do appreciate the feedback!!

 

[Johnlopp90]

This type of use, but with a 3 point adapter and a legit plow.

 

[foton]

I think by the time you get a trailer to haul the skid that you would need to work hard ground you will need a 1 ton cause of the weight you will have. and a dually would be better yet.

 

[mrbb]

OK well sorry I got things messed up on use of a truck to pull the plow, HAHA!

But as I said, I have done it sort of with a truck and a disc to turn ground over and seen other do so, over the yrs, and just knew its hard on a ruck doing so!

But any how, I also agree that once you add in weight of a machine, all the more so a machine of decent size and weight, which you would need to drag backwards a chisel plow,(will add more on this)
your 1/2 ton truck will be way past max towing limits
add into equation the weight of the new implement as well, to the machine, and odds are, your not getting legally by with a 1/2 ton truck, which also brings up the legal question about what you states rules are on towing things, , as many stats have rules that anything over 10,000 lbs, will require additional drivers license level, as in a CDL, so, I would check into this as well before buying anything

back to dragging a chisel plow backwards with a REAL chisel plow, again, a skid steer is not really the tool for this task, and odds are your going to need the largest of them to do so, to just have enough weight/down force to have traction to do so,
which is why you don't see many that have rippers,as you noticed they do not work so well, mostly because of traction issues, and machines just not heavy enough to do this type of job!
Case recently came out with one that can be had with a ripper, and is more of a dozer than a skid steer, and would maybe be your best option if you wanted to stick with a skid steer design like machine, m, but its very heavy past what your truck can handle, and well, costs way up there as its only been out a yr or two now and will still net a high asking price even if a used one could be found, so I doubt you'd have interest in them!
But they might be a as good as a one machine tool for a track as there is IMO<,

back to back dragging a chisel plow, with a basic skid steer or track loader,, , when your back dragging your adding a bunch of stress to pins and, attachment points, and well drivetrain , and the cooling on the machine,as there just not meant do to this type of work , as your putting non stop stress on things , maybe for short periods of time, you can get away with it, or just not very often,
but not for extended periods of time, or you will find weak links fast

SKid steers basically have a use of, lift.load something, and have it in the resting position while in travel, , there typically isn't a load on things, in most of its uses , and even when there is things like a brush hog as an example, the weight of these things is not going to be any where close to the amount of force being applied when using a plow
a tractor has low gearing and weight on its size to plow things, and it has a designed in use of things like p[lows, to add extra support to stress points when a load is applied to things

I think if you get a skid steer and use if often with back dragging a chisel plow, your soon going to be finding weak links and doing costly repairs
I think you would be much better off buying a OLD, 1950-1970's era 50+ hp tractor, they can be had plenty cheap and many are pretty cheap to get back into good condition, and most all popular models, will have no shortage of parts for them
tractors of this era, have WEIGHT build into them and were more over build than under built like today's modern tractors
I have bought and sold many older tractors some from the 1940's, paid very little ,. many were in great running condition just needed some simple up keep, and are still running and in use today, there is a reason so many folks collect and like these old tractors, they were again over built, simple to work on and still tons of parts for them, due to , well, there still in use by many, and at a fraction the costs of newer ones!
I'd suggest looking into adding one to things, and then get a skid steer for other uses!

an example of tractors,
last one I bought was a 1969 farmall 340 about 48 hp, and it came with a 8 ft disc, a two row corn planter and a 2 row plow, , all for $3000, and needed nothing , had 2100 original hours on it, tires were getting old, but still held air fine and lots of thread just getting aged out, and I did a full fluid change, tractor now has 3800 hrs on it and is still in use at my one hunting property!
deals are out there if your willing to look and go find them, and be willing if needed to have shipped or go and get it, just again watch weights of things, heavier is better when doing plow work , which as a farmer, odds are you know! its now all HP< its weight and gearing PLUS hp when things get BIG
but for decades older tractors has less hp , but had weight and gearing to get the job done and they so just fine and still do!