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<blockquote data-quote="mrbb" data-source="post: 141591" data-attributes="member: 13825"><p>Like said, too many variables to give a NUMBER on angle that can be safely climbed, NO company is going to say "X" angle is SAFE, because if they did and someone went up said angle and there was a rock sticking p causing things to change angle FAST and one rolled a machine, the company would be liable or just not ant the risk of being liable!</p><p> there is NO real formula either as again, you will never be dealing with perfect flat conditions on angles, things change in a flash, add in a little off camber, and things change even more so!</p><p> this again is where experience and operator skill and assessment of things comes into play!</p><p></p><p> most machines ALL specs are made based off being on perfectly flat level ground!</p><p> after that is, back to experiences of operator to make the call or take the risk! , OEMS want NOTHING to do with giving out spec's on what can be done !</p><p></p><p></p><p> some operators take risks other will NOT, some get away with it, and some don't,</p><p> and then there is the type of soil, ground things are being driven on that change things, loose ground, dirt, hard pack, soft, wet, grass covered(dry grass wet grass) , paved, gravel, and so on!</p><p> ALL change what can be done </p><p>add in again off camber, slopes uneven terrain, , the variables are endless!</p><p></p><p> so again there is NO number than can be given, minus LEVEL flat ground, after that, its in your hands to make the call!</p><p>this is also why experienced operators are valued so much, over just any one that can get on a machine and use it! there is a huge difference</p><p>Skill/experience cannot be bought or achieved by reading things, or just doing a few times!</p><p>it takes yrs to get it! no short cuts!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mrbb, post: 141591, member: 13825"] Like said, too many variables to give a NUMBER on angle that can be safely climbed, NO company is going to say "X" angle is SAFE, because if they did and someone went up said angle and there was a rock sticking p causing things to change angle FAST and one rolled a machine, the company would be liable or just not ant the risk of being liable! there is NO real formula either as again, you will never be dealing with perfect flat conditions on angles, things change in a flash, add in a little off camber, and things change even more so! this again is where experience and operator skill and assessment of things comes into play! most machines ALL specs are made based off being on perfectly flat level ground! after that is, back to experiences of operator to make the call or take the risk! , OEMS want NOTHING to do with giving out spec's on what can be done ! some operators take risks other will NOT, some get away with it, and some don't, and then there is the type of soil, ground things are being driven on that change things, loose ground, dirt, hard pack, soft, wet, grass covered(dry grass wet grass) , paved, gravel, and so on! ALL change what can be done add in again off camber, slopes uneven terrain, , the variables are endless! so again there is NO number than can be given, minus LEVEL flat ground, after that, its in your hands to make the call! this is also why experienced operators are valued so much, over just any one that can get on a machine and use it! there is a huge difference Skill/experience cannot be bought or achieved by reading things, or just doing a few times! it takes yrs to get it! no short cuts! [/QUOTE]
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