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Message: <blockquote data-quote="skidsteer.ca" data-source="post: 24786" data-attributes="member: 307">There is the whole nine yards then.Originally Bobcat pioneered and promoted the short frame machine because when the bucket was loaded the rear tires carried little weight which reduced wear when spinning in circles, and when the bucket was empty the front tires carried little weight. So tight turns could be made without as much tire wear. This still is the preferred setup in a factory setting say where you work on a flat floor and space is limited.However later mfg's came along and said longer is better so you can work on rougher ground even if it costs some tire wear. And eventually bobcat came to agree with them and build both frame lengths in the more popular models.The 853 came to its demise when the 773 grew from @1600 lb roc(7753)  to 1750 lb 773g it was as capable so no point in two models with the same roc, though the 853  had more hp, larger 12" tires and more weight, which could be seen as plus or minus depending on your situation.The model numbering system is quite confusing at first, because it has evolved along the way.Ken</blockquote>