50" bucket on a 463 / S70

[SkidRoe]

My dealer accidentally ordered an S70 in with a 50" bucket. I was looking for a bigger bucket for handling snow, and ended up buying it off him. Has anybody used one of these before on a small machine in something other than snow? How does the machine handle it?

 

[TriHonu]

Your 463 has a Rated Operating Capacity (ROC) of 700 pounds.
The 50" bucket weighs 202 pounds. This only leaves you 498 pounds for material.
The 50" bucket has a struck capacity of 8.5 cubic feet. If you level fill the bucket, the material must weigh 58.6 pounds per cubic foot or less to keep you within the ROC.
Here is a list of common materials and their weight per cubic foot. Dry Loose Dirt is approx 76 lbs per cubic foot. A full bucket will make your machine very nose heavy. You may end up only being able to take partial buckets on many common materials.
You may also find you don't have enough traction or machine weight to get 50 inches of cutting edge to penetrate into the soil.
Hope it works out for you.

Material	Pounds Per Cubic Foot
Copper Ore	262​
Slag, Iron	172​
Quartz, ground	165​
Gypsum	159​
Limestone	155​
Sandstone	143​
Sand, wet	126​
Earth, wet packed	115​
Clay, damp	110​
Lye	106​
Cement, Portland	94​
Shale	92​
Gravel	90​
Sand, dry	90​
Stone, broken	90​
Concrete	86​
Earth, dry loose	76​
Potash	68​
Clay, dry excavated	63​
MAP,DAP	60​
Paper	58​
Bone Meal	57​
Sulphur	55​
Rubber, scrap	50​
Beans	48​
Potatoes	48​
Soybeans	48​
Wheat	48​
Coffee Beans	45​
Corn	45​
Flax Seed	45​
Urea	45​
Malt, dry	45​
Rice	44​
Sugar Beets	40​
Coal	40​
Snow, wet	40​
Barley	39​
Ice	37​
Lime	36​
Ashes	35​
Charcoal, Oak	35​
Salt	35​
Coke	32​
Oats	26​
Cottonseed, Dry	25​
Sunflowers	24​
Hay (Baled)	20​
Peanuts, shelled	18​
Wood, chips	18​
Wood, sawdust	15​

 

[SkidRoe]

Your 463 has a Rated Operating Capacity (ROC) of 700 pounds.
The 50" bucket weighs 202 pounds. This only leaves you 498 pounds for material.
The 50" bucket has a struck capacity of 8.5 cubic feet. If you level fill the bucket, the material must weigh 58.6 pounds per cubic foot or less to keep you within the ROC.
Here is a list of common materials and their weight per cubic foot. Dry Loose Dirt is approx 76 lbs per cubic foot. A full bucket will make your machine very nose heavy. You may end up only being able to take partial buckets on many common materials.
You may also find you don't have enough traction or machine weight to get 50 inches of cutting edge to penetrate into the soil.
Hope it works out for you.


Material
Pounds Per Cubic Foot


Copper Ore
262


Slag, Iron
172


Quartz, ground
165


Gypsum
159


Limestone
155


Sandstone
143


Sand, wet
126


Earth, wet packed
115


Clay, damp
110


Lye
106


Cement, Portland
94


Shale
92


Gravel
90


Sand, dry
90


Stone, broken
90


Concrete
86


Earth, dry loose
76


Potash
68


Clay, dry excavated
63


MAP,DAP
60


Paper
58


Bone Meal
57


Sulphur
55


Rubber, scrap
50


Beans
48


Potatoes
48


Soybeans
48


Wheat
48


Coffee Beans
45


Corn
45


Flax Seed
45


Urea
45


Malt, dry
45


Rice
44


Sugar Beets
40


Coal
40


Snow, wet
40


Barley
39


Ice
37


Lime
36


Ashes
35


Charcoal, Oak
35


Salt
35


Coke
32


Oats
26


Cottonseed, Dry
25


Sunflowers
24


Hay (Baled)
20


Peanuts, shelled
18


Wood, chips
18


Wood, sawdust
15

Good info. Looks like it will work good for snow!! I think it will be fine for what I am going to use it for. I am keeping my 42" bucket, so I will always have it for digging. Thanks!

 

[mahans7]

Good info. Looks like it will work good for snow!! I think it will be fine for what I am going to use it for. I am keeping my 42" bucket, so I will always have it for digging. Thanks!

If you're hauling wood(from Hearth.com):

Thoroughly air-dried (10-12%) or kiln dried domestic hardwoods (6-8%) weigh from 30 lbs (cottonwood) to 52 lbs (hickory) per cubic foot.

Soft (Silver & Red Maple) 33-35,Black Walnut 38-40,Black Cherry 38, Red Oak & White Ash are around 40-42,Hard Maple 44,White Oak 47.

"I searched the internet and found wide variations, with claims that green oak runs 70 lbs per cubic foot."Anything weighing 70 lbs/cubic foot will sink to the bottom of the pond.

 

[SkidRoe]

If you're hauling wood(from Hearth.com):

Thoroughly air-dried (10-12%) or kiln dried domestic hardwoods (6-8%) weigh from 30 lbs (cottonwood) to 52 lbs (hickory) per cubic foot.

Soft (Silver & Red Maple) 33-35,Black Walnut 38-40,Black Cherry 38, Red Oak & White Ash are around 40-42,Hard Maple 44,White Oak 47.

"I searched the internet and found wide variations, with claims that green oak runs 70 lbs per cubic foot."Anything weighing 70 lbs/cubic foot will sink to the bottom of the pond.

It would be difficult to get a solid 8.5 cf of wood in the bucket, unless you sawed boards specifically to fit, LOL.
I have already fit a 200 lb counter weight to the machine, so I am not worried about lifting capacity - it will lift it. What I am thinking about now is fitting bolt-on digging teeth to the 42" bucket, as I will now have the 50" that I can back-drag and grade with.

 

[SkidRoe]

It would be difficult to get a solid 8.5 cf of wood in the bucket, unless you sawed boards specifically to fit, LOL.
I have already fit a 200 lb counter weight to the machine, so I am not worried about lifting capacity - it will lift it. What I am thinking about now is fitting bolt-on digging teeth to the 42" bucket, as I will now have the 50" that I can back-drag and grade with.

New bucket arrived today!! Does not look too big at all. And it should not take much to make it fit either. I need to pick up some 1.5" x 0.25" flat bar to make a couple of new interface plates for the old style mini-bobtach.

 

[mahans7]

New bucket arrived today!! Does not look too big at all. And it should not take much to make it fit either. I need to pick up some 1.5" x 0.25" flat bar to make a couple of new interface plates for the old style mini-bobtach.

Touche'. But just imagine, you're deep in the woods driving your 463 and then all of a sudden it appears. 48' boards stacked in 50" bucket sized piles as far as the eye can see. You'll be prepared to haul it all off!

 

[SkidRoe]

Touche'. But just imagine, you're deep in the woods driving your 463 and then all of a sudden it appears. 48' boards stacked in 50" bucket sized piles as far as the eye can see. You'll be prepared to haul it all off!

ROFLMAO!!!!

 

[SkidRoe]

ROFLMAO!!!!

Okay, so here is what I started with, with a couple of cuts to make the bucket sit on my bobtach for marking out the new attachment bars:

And here it is after a couple of hours of cutting and welding, and some paint:

I ran the side plates and gussets up through the top bar to make it easier to weld:

It worked out really well. I was afraid that the side flanges were going to hit the boom arms (and1 would have to cut them off), but they sit about 3/4" outside the boom, so no problem. You could easily convert it back to fit the new styel mini bobtach, if needed, just a bit of cutting and grinding.

 

[SkidRoe]

Okay, so here is what I started with, with a couple of cuts to make the bucket sit on my bobtach for marking out the new attachment bars:


And here it is after a couple of hours of cutting and welding, and some paint:

I ran the side plates and gussets up through the top bar to make it easier to weld:

It worked out really well. I was afraid that the side flanges were going to hit the boom arms (and1 would have to cut them off), but they sit about 3/4" outside the boom, so no problem. You could easily convert it back to fit the new styel mini bobtach, if needed, just a bit of cutting and grinding.

Answered my own question: Put the bucket to work today in some topsoil. The old 440b handles it no problem, even with the bucket heaped. I think the counter weights helped a bit...

 

[mahans7]

Answered my own question: Put the bucket to work today in some topsoil. The old 440b handles it no problem, even with the bucket heaped. I think the counter weights helped a bit...

Very nice conversion SR. Its so nice you are actually going to motivate me to start using my mig welder again.

 

[SkidRoe]

Answered my own question: Put the bucket to work today in some topsoil. The old 440b handles it no problem, even with the bucket heaped. I think the counter weights helped a bit...

Here is an update on the 50" bucket: It was drilled for a bolt on cutting edge or teeth, so I bought a set of 7 bolt-on teeth for it. I finally got to put it to work yesterday, digging a road bed for a driveway and a garage. What a difference!! I was figuring that I may have to drop one of the counterweights to get it to penetrate the ground - Nope!! I actually had to work hard to keep it from going too deep. This thing is like a miniature bulldozer!! Found 4 buried tree stumps and a ton of roots during the excavation, ripped them out no problem. Most of the ground was pretty dry and packed down from vehicle traffic, but it only slowed digging slightly. Extremely pleased with the performance.

 

[Tazza]

Here is an update on the 50" bucket: It was drilled for a bolt on cutting edge or teeth, so I bought a set of 7 bolt-on teeth for it. I finally got to put it to work yesterday, digging a road bed for a driveway and a garage. What a difference!! I was figuring that I may have to drop one of the counterweights to get it to penetrate the ground - Nope!! I actually had to work hard to keep it from going too deep. This thing is like a miniature bulldozer!! Found 4 buried tree stumps and a ton of roots during the excavation, ripped them out no problem. Most of the ground was pretty dry and packed down from vehicle traffic, but it only slowed digging slightly. Extremely pleased with the performance.

Teeth sure do make a difference, especially in compacted soil.
It's always good to hear when things work out better than expected.