Putting a Yanmar 4TNE86 in a Ford CL55

[RJSStamps]

I'd like to see engine mounts with rubber, it helps dampen the vibrations from the engine.
You just need to make sure the engine is pretty close to being in a straight line with the pump. If its out, it will put more stress on the coupler.

At this point right and left it's straight, the only issue at the moment is up/down front to back. Putting the rubber in the mount will make the mount height different as well as hole size needed to accomodate the rubber feet. Or maybe I can find some different feet that are flat. The ones I have are raised in the center. The front of the engine will be fun to say the least as the area where the mounts are is sloped towards the back of the machine. Not sure I will be able to locate wedge shaped feet for it.
The throttle will, temporarily be a cable until I can get the rod thats on it threaded for a ball connector.
Worked on the radiator mount a bit tonight, got some pieces cut for it. Just need to cut a few more then weld it up.

RJS

 

[RJSStamps]

At this point right and left it's straight, the only issue at the moment is up/down front to back. Putting the rubber in the mount will make the mount height different as well as hole size needed to accomodate the rubber feet. Or maybe I can find some different feet that are flat. The ones I have are raised in the center. The front of the engine will be fun to say the least as the area where the mounts are is sloped towards the back of the machine. Not sure I will be able to locate wedge shaped feet for it.
The throttle will, temporarily be a cable until I can get the rod thats on it threaded for a ball connector.
Worked on the radiator mount a bit tonight, got some pieces cut for it. Just need to cut a few more then weld it up.

RJS

Didn't get anything done yesterday due to the weather, got out to work on it and it started raining....ugh!
Today though I got the wiring done! I had to add a wire to the fuel shut off solenoid. Still need to connect it to the switch however just before I was going to do that I had a thought (dangerous I know) and that was to wire it to a switch under the seat so it is hidden and less of a chance to have someone steal the machine if they don't know how to start it or shut it off. The only other stuff too hook up are the gauges but I need to get some new gauges as the machine just has idiot lights and I'd prefer actual gauges. Once I get it running I will move it to the shop where I will be able to work on it better and have air tools, welder and torch. So far things seem to be going well though now that coupler is connected. Had to lengthen a couple wires and reroute the + battery cable but nothing major.
Oh, and a hint for anyone else planning on repowering a Ford CL-55 or the Thomas equivelent take note that the Kubota engine will require some major reconstruction of the battery box and some frame of the machine! I almost went with the Kubota but am glad now I did'nt due to the 2 extra inches of hieght it wouln't fit! The Yanmar 4TN86 just barely makes it at 25" high while the Kubota is 27".


RJS

 

[Tazza]

Didn't get anything done yesterday due to the weather, got out to work on it and it started raining....ugh!
Today though I got the wiring done! I had to add a wire to the fuel shut off solenoid. Still need to connect it to the switch however just before I was going to do that I had a thought (dangerous I know) and that was to wire it to a switch under the seat so it is hidden and less of a chance to have someone steal the machine if they don't know how to start it or shut it off. The only other stuff too hook up are the gauges but I need to get some new gauges as the machine just has idiot lights and I'd prefer actual gauges. Once I get it running I will move it to the shop where I will be able to work on it better and have air tools, welder and torch. So far things seem to be going well though now that coupler is connected. Had to lengthen a couple wires and reroute the + battery cable but nothing major.
Oh, and a hint for anyone else planning on repowering a Ford CL-55 or the Thomas equivelent take note that the Kubota engine will require some major reconstruction of the battery box and some frame of the machine! I almost went with the Kubota but am glad now I did'nt due to the 2 extra inches of hieght it wouln't fit! The Yanmar 4TN86 just barely makes it at 25" high while the Kubota is 27".


RJS

Adding a switch isn't a bad idea. But no matter what you do to stop theft, if someone wants it bad enough, they will get it.
With the height issue, it is good you didn't go for a Kubota, it may have been a bit of an issue.
It sure must be rough working where you are, at least my area is covered and power and air are easily accessable.

 

[RJSStamps]

Adding a switch isn't a bad idea. But no matter what you do to stop theft, if someone wants it bad enough, they will get it.
With the height issue, it is good you didn't go for a Kubota, it may have been a bit of an issue.
It sure must be rough working where you are, at least my area is covered and power and air are easily accessable.

True about thieves, but I am sure the police in my area already know I have the machine and what it looks like so if it's going down the road without me whoevers driving will get stopped. The police around here like me
Yeah, I'm glad too I didn't go with the Kubota, that would have been a mess of cutting and refabbing!
One reason I bought the machine was so I could get these big chunks of wood blocking my driveway cleared and split, but I can't budge them, the machine can though! So once it's running I need to push a couple out of the way and then get the machine in the shop where it's dry and all the tools are. Things will move along faster then too. lol, I can even climb on top of the machine and change bulbs in the shop without climbing a ladder!

RJS

 

[Tazza]

True about thieves, but I am sure the police in my area already know I have the machine and what it looks like so if it's going down the road without me whoevers driving will get stopped. The police around here like me
Yeah, I'm glad too I didn't go with the Kubota, that would have been a mess of cutting and refabbing!
One reason I bought the machine was so I could get these big chunks of wood blocking my driveway cleared and split, but I can't budge them, the machine can though! So once it's running I need to push a couple out of the way and then get the machine in the shop where it's dry and all the tools are. Things will move along faster then too. lol, I can even climb on top of the machine and change bulbs in the shop without climbing a ladder!

RJS

Good to hear the police know you and like you. Its not good if they know you for bad reasons though
I have used my machine to build a shed, it was used as a ladder in the hard to reach spots.

 

[RJSStamps]

Good to hear the police know you and like you. Its not good if they know you for bad reasons though
I have used my machine to build a shed, it was used as a ladder in the hard to reach spots.

yeah I wish I had this machine after the tornado hit here, would have helped cleanup and building my shop which replaced a 16x8 garage. The shop is 30x40 and 12' walls. 21' ft to the peak of the roof. But I have it now and it will get put to good use! May even use it to pull the ster drive and motor out of a boat I rebuilding. Easier to yank it where it is than move the boat in and out of the shop. There are a hundred uses for it and I have 1/2 acre.... just think if I had 1 acre....lol

 

[RJSStamps]

yeah I wish I had this machine after the tornado hit here, would have helped cleanup and building my shop which replaced a 16x8 garage. The shop is 30x40 and 12' walls. 21' ft to the peak of the roof. But I have it now and it will get put to good use! May even use it to pull the ster drive and motor out of a boat I rebuilding. Easier to yank it where it is than move the boat in and out of the shop. There are a hundred uses for it and I have 1/2 acre.... just think if I had 1 acre....lol

Well it looks as though tomorrow I will get to fire this thing up! Today I got the fuel lines connected and some other odds and ends done. Tomorrow I need to get the rear mounts made and installed and then can fire it up. I found that there were some other locations on the block for mounts so all I need is some 2" angle iron to make up the mounts and they are pretty easy to do and will line up perfectly with the holes at the rear where the original engine mounts were. Then I can get the machine inside and make up the front mounts. There is a small angle on the front mounts but otherwise they will be the same as the back. Doing it this way I can also use the original insulators.

RJS

 

[RJSStamps]

Well it looks as though tomorrow I will get to fire this thing up! Today I got the fuel lines connected and some other odds and ends done. Tomorrow I need to get the rear mounts made and installed and then can fire it up. I found that there were some other locations on the block for mounts so all I need is some 2" angle iron to make up the mounts and they are pretty easy to do and will line up perfectly with the holes at the rear where the original engine mounts were. Then I can get the machine inside and make up the front mounts. There is a small angle on the front mounts but otherwise they will be the same as the back. Doing it this way I can also use the original insulators.

RJS

Plans changed again...lol. I decided to go ahead and make the engine mounts before starting it and moving it to the shop. Got the first mount done except for drilling the holes for the bolts. 3 more to make up then I will do all the drilling once they are all built up.

RJS

 

[Tazza]

Plans changed again...lol. I decided to go ahead and make the engine mounts before starting it and moving it to the shop. Got the first mount done except for drilling the holes for the bolts. 3 more to make up then I will do all the drilling once they are all built up.

RJS

Best to not rush it, rather not have something let go and cause issues.

 

[RJSStamps]

Best to not rush it, rather not have something let go and cause issues.

It's almost there! Well, at least almost off the trailer. I have it ready to start, but at 7:30 tonight it was too late to charge the battery. I actually tried to start it but the battery was too dead. Nothing smoked so the wiring must have been right. In the morning I will put the battery on charge while I run to get a couple odds and ends in Indy. So around noon I should have it running.....can't wait!

RJS

 

[RJSStamps]

It's almost there! Well, at least almost off the trailer. I have it ready to start, but at 7:30 tonight it was too late to charge the battery. I actually tried to start it but the battery was too dead. Nothing smoked so the wiring must have been right. In the morning I will put the battery on charge while I run to get a couple odds and ends in Indy. So around noon I should have it running.....can't wait!

RJS

It Lives! Got it running today and no leaks other than one small "t" fitting that leaked before. All hydraulics work too! Loads of power too. It will take some getting used to this and the controls are really touchy! The slightest bump of the hand levers and it moves. Seems a bit light in the back so I may figure out a way to add weight to it. Possibly due to the slightly lighter engine. The govenor works properly too. Only issue at the moment is the fact it creeps when idling but otherwise everything appears to be working great. The first time I started it it smoked a bit but none since. It starts with maybe one revolution now. Now I can move it to the shop and finish it up in a couple days. I can't wait!

RJS

 

[RJSStamps]

It Lives! Got it running today and no leaks other than one small "t" fitting that leaked before. All hydraulics work too! Loads of power too. It will take some getting used to this and the controls are really touchy! The slightest bump of the hand levers and it moves. Seems a bit light in the back so I may figure out a way to add weight to it. Possibly due to the slightly lighter engine. The govenor works properly too. Only issue at the moment is the fact it creeps when idling but otherwise everything appears to be working great. The first time I started it it smoked a bit but none since. It starts with maybe one revolution now. Now I can move it to the shop and finish it up in a couple days. I can't wait!

RJS

Two more pieces of wood to move and the machine will be next to the shop to start work on the radiator support mounts. Wow can this thing push! I'm impressed with it. Once done it will definately be worth all the work I have put into it.

 

[Tazza]

Two more pieces of wood to move and the machine will be next to the shop to start work on the radiator support mounts. Wow can this thing push! I'm impressed with it. Once done it will definately be worth all the work I have put into it.

They sure do get some power from a 'small' engine. Its not that little, but how it uses it, it sure can move some stuff. I know i was amazed at what my old 731 could do, it still amazes me at times with what i can lift and push.

 

[RJSStamps]

They sure do get some power from a 'small' engine. Its not that little, but how it uses it, it sure can move some stuff. I know i was amazed at what my old 731 could do, it still amazes me at times with what i can lift and push.

I pushed 5 or 6 pieces of wood that weigh from 900 to 1500 lbs each and it pushed that entire pile about 10 feet. I lifted 2 big chunks and dumped them on the pile and you could tell it was close to max by how the machine rocked. But it didn't strain a bit. Couldn't figure out what the banging noise was and then when I got out I realized it was the muffler which is not connected yet. So far thats my biggest issue and I am trying t come up with fix. The exhaust comes out under the battery box and there is about 4 inches clearance so I need something to fit it and be 90 degree turn. I may have to cut a section out of the battery box and move the battery to the other side and weld in a heat shield. Since the very first start up it starts immediately every time.
Temporary fix for the throttle, waiting on a delivery of a new cable so I hooked the original lever up with wire ties.....it works!
Started the engine to radiator mount but need more channel and flat steel for support tabs. Once I get those tomorrow it will take about an hour to weld and drill it then mount it up. Pretty easy set up for the radiator the way I am doing it.
hopefully this week I can get the pictures of this ordeal off my phone and uploaded too.

 

[skidsteer.ca]

I pushed 5 or 6 pieces of wood that weigh from 900 to 1500 lbs each and it pushed that entire pile about 10 feet. I lifted 2 big chunks and dumped them on the pile and you could tell it was close to max by how the machine rocked. But it didn't strain a bit. Couldn't figure out what the banging noise was and then when I got out I realized it was the muffler which is not connected yet. So far thats my biggest issue and I am trying t come up with fix. The exhaust comes out under the battery box and there is about 4 inches clearance so I need something to fit it and be 90 degree turn. I may have to cut a section out of the battery box and move the battery to the other side and weld in a heat shield. Since the very first start up it starts immediately every time.
Temporary fix for the throttle, waiting on a delivery of a new cable so I hooked the original lever up with wire ties.....it works!
Started the engine to radiator mount but need more channel and flat steel for support tabs. Once I get those tomorrow it will take about an hour to weld and drill it then mount it up. Pretty easy set up for the radiator the way I am doing it.
hopefully this week I can get the pictures of this ordeal off my phone and uploaded too.

Sounds like you are making good progress. Lots of details, but one by one they keep getting done. Swaps are never easy. But with more options at our disposal nowdays (electric fans, etc) they are getting easier.
We replaced two 6v53 GM with 6068T deere power in our skidders, and I sure don't miss thoose detroits. Needless to say the second one was easier.
The end result will be justified here too.
Ken

 

[RJSStamps]

Sounds like you are making good progress. Lots of details, but one by one they keep getting done. Swaps are never easy. But with more options at our disposal nowdays (electric fans, etc) they are getting easier.
We replaced two 6v53 GM with 6068T deere power in our skidders, and I sure don't miss thoose detroits. Needless to say the second one was easier.
The end result will be justified here too.
Ken

Ken,
Yeah these newer motors are much better in some ways, it's just getting them in and connected but once you have done one and look back at what you did things are much easier. I could make a living repowering these machines, it's kind of fun to do. This machine has plenty of power and once I get the issue with the shut off solenoid fixed it should do very well.

RJS

 

[RJSStamps]

Ken,
Yeah these newer motors are much better in some ways, it's just getting them in and connected but once you have done one and look back at what you did things are much easier. I could make a living repowering these machines, it's kind of fun to do. This machine has plenty of power and once I get the issue with the shut off solenoid fixed it should do very well.

RJS

While waiting on the fuel shut down solenoid to come I have been busy oing little stuff like rewiring a lot of things and adding a few things too. I added a new light switch and wired in a relay for it. Added a relay to the fuel shut off solenoid circuit. I am going to replace the lights next week, 2 front and 2 back. Right now there is one of each but I like it bright! I am also adding a setup that includes a Uniden 996T Scanner and an amplified speaker so I can run the machine and listen in on the police and fire channels. I have a nice weatherproof Motorola amplified speaker to use. And then if I need to I can add my old Motorola analog 800Mhz radio as well. I may get those reprogrammed for business use so I can use them on site. The nice thing is both Motorola radios are portables that mount in mobile units as well so I can have one in the machine and one in the truck.
Hopefully the solenoid will be here today or tomorrow.

 

[RJSStamps]

While waiting on the fuel shut down solenoid to come I have been busy oing little stuff like rewiring a lot of things and adding a few things too. I added a new light switch and wired in a relay for it. Added a relay to the fuel shut off solenoid circuit. I am going to replace the lights next week, 2 front and 2 back. Right now there is one of each but I like it bright! I am also adding a setup that includes a Uniden 996T Scanner and an amplified speaker so I can run the machine and listen in on the police and fire channels. I have a nice weatherproof Motorola amplified speaker to use. And then if I need to I can add my old Motorola analog 800Mhz radio as well. I may get those reprogrammed for business use so I can use them on site. The nice thing is both Motorola radios are portables that mount in mobile units as well so I can have one in the machine and one in the truck.
Hopefully the solenoid will be here today or tomorrow.

Well the solenoid finaly arrived tonight at 7:30pm and after putting it in I discovered a fuel leak. Turns out when working on the exhaust or air intake plumbing I knocked the fuel return apart. Fixed that and went out back and in 5 minutes removed a stump I missed the other day. It took a whole 5 minutes to dig it out. Now tomorrow I can go out and dig a bunch of them up.....like 27 left.

 

[Tazza]

Well the solenoid finaly arrived tonight at 7:30pm and after putting it in I discovered a fuel leak. Turns out when working on the exhaust or air intake plumbing I knocked the fuel return apart. Fixed that and went out back and in 5 minutes removed a stump I missed the other day. It took a whole 5 minutes to dig it out. Now tomorrow I can go out and dig a bunch of them up.....like 27 left.

Excellent, now just how long would it take to do by hand? they sure do make things easier and faser.

 

[RJSStamps]

Excellent, now just how long would it take to do by hand? they sure do make things easier and faser.

Me, it would take a month to dig one out......they have already been sitting since May of 2005!
Saturday, got 8 or 9 stumps out and the machine worked great even in 90+ degree temps. Got a lot done in 3 hours on the thing that day, in fact I am almost half done digiing the back out!
Sunday - nothing got done. The new solenoid burned out! Machine won't start again! Ugh, not sure what to do now. I need help with getting these solenoids wired up so they don't keep burning up. Anyone have any good schematics of fuel shutdown solenoids? I tried with a relay but that didn't help. I still burned out the pull (white wire) circuit.
RJS