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RS Coyote

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Bobcat 863G-series high-flow 900 hours on the meter and is in very good condition. $15,000.oo Plus 7.8% Tax $1170.oo Total $16,170.... IIRC it was a Herts Rental machine. I'm thinking this is a pretty good deal with low Hrs and clean machine. I live in western WA.,.................................................................. Do you think this a good deal?
 

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A little more information would be needed to determine whether it's a good deal or not. There are many options other than the basics you've told us. Those options add much value to a machine for resale.
What year is the machine? Does it have a heated cab or A/C? Power Bobtach? Foot controls only or Advanced Hand controls? Attachment control kit? What attachments come with the machine? What condition are the tires in? Maintenance records?
 

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A little more information would be needed to determine whether it's a good deal or not. There are many options other than the basics you've told us. Those options add much value to a machine for resale.
What year is the machine? Does it have a heated cab or A/C? Power Bobtach? Foot controls only or Advanced Hand controls? Attachment control kit? What attachments come with the machine? What condition are the tires in? Maintenance records?
The year is a 2000. It does not have a heated cab or A/C. . I think the sales guy said it has the Attachment control kit. For attachments just a bucket. Tires are 50%. Foot/Hand controls, Power Bobtach & Maintenance records, I don't know yet the sales guy said he will try to email a spec sheet over the weekend. He did say it is a very tight machine and is clean. I saw pictures of it and it looks like it just has the usual scuffs and surface rust where the paint is scatched off. I have not seen it, its a few hours away.
 

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The year is a 2000. It does not have a heated cab or A/C. . I think the sales guy said it has the Attachment control kit. For attachments just a bucket. Tires are 50%. Foot/Hand controls, Power Bobtach & Maintenance records, I don't know yet the sales guy said he will try to email a spec sheet over the weekend. He did say it is a very tight machine and is clean. I saw pictures of it and it looks like it just has the usual scuffs and surface rust where the paint is scatched off. I have not seen it, its a few hours away.
I think 16k for a relatively new 863G isn't too bad, but you might want to see if you can get one with counterweights. For the work you mentioned, I think it'd be a better idea to have a bit larger of a machine, but if the budget is tight to the point that you can't go above some amount, the 863 should do fine. Just be careful not to lift logs that are too big, because she will tip.
 

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I think 16k for a relatively new 863G isn't too bad, but you might want to see if you can get one with counterweights. For the work you mentioned, I think it'd be a better idea to have a bit larger of a machine, but if the budget is tight to the point that you can't go above some amount, the 863 should do fine. Just be careful not to lift logs that are too big, because she will tip.
If you can live without a heated cab, I say go for it. If you even think you may want a heated cab in the future, you may want to wait. Do you really have to pay that much tax? Could you save paying the tax by buying from a private party? If you decide to buy it, maybe try talk them into a set of new tires. This will say you about $600 - $700 down the road. Get them now and mount them later when these tires totally wear out.
If I remember correctly, the 863 has a ROC of 2000#. Oak weighs about 59#/ft2, so you could carry a 20' 18” diameter log at the ROC. Two logs this size would put you at the tipping load. Pine is about 45#/ft2, so you could carry a 25' 18” diameter log at the ROC. I think this would handle you needs fine.
 

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If you can live without a heated cab, I say go for it. If you even think you may want a heated cab in the future, you may want to wait. Do you really have to pay that much tax? Could you save paying the tax by buying from a private party? If you decide to buy it, maybe try talk them into a set of new tires. This will say you about $600 - $700 down the road. Get them now and mount them later when these tires totally wear out.
If I remember correctly, the 863 has a ROC of 2000#. Oak weighs about 59#/ft2, so you could carry a 20' 18” diameter log at the ROC. Two logs this size would put you at the tipping load. Pine is about 45#/ft2, so you could carry a 25' 18” diameter log at the ROC. I think this would handle you needs fine.
Sorry, those figures are ft3, not ft2, my typo
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Sorry, those figures are ft3, not ft2, my typo
Pretty much spot on. The 863 is rated at 1900, but some of the contractors who operated it, then switched to the 90XT, would claim the 863 is very, very tipsy (even against the Gehl 5635, also at 1900 ROC). At any rate, it should be a phenomenal machine!
 

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Pretty much spot on. The 863 is rated at 1900, but some of the contractors who operated it, then switched to the 90XT, would claim the 863 is very, very tipsy (even against the Gehl 5635, also at 1900 ROC). At any rate, it should be a phenomenal machine!
I can see a 7200lb 863 maybe being tippy compared to a 90xt. The that darn 90xt weighs 9000 pounds!!! I could have got a 2002 90xt last week with 800hrs on her for $17500. But I felt it weighed to darn much. ............................................................................I sure hope this site starts to grow. It's kinda slow here. But I appreciate you guys answering my questions. I plan on sticking around. What about getting a general discussion board going? ...................................................................................................................... I also see that I started this post in the wrong section. BTW who's is the moderator?
 

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I can see a 7200lb 863 maybe being tippy compared to a 90xt. The that darn 90xt weighs 9000 pounds!!! I could have got a 2002 90xt last week with 800hrs on her for $17500. But I felt it weighed to darn much. ............................................................................I sure hope this site starts to grow. It's kinda slow here. But I appreciate you guys answering my questions. I plan on sticking around. What about getting a general discussion board going? ...................................................................................................................... I also see that I started this post in the wrong section. BTW who's is the moderator?
owenge is the big boss around here. And if you think it's slow now, man, you should been here about a year ago, when this site was starting to get more hits. We could go weeks without a post. haha (And as for the 90XT, I think it's a better loader than is the 863, even if it is really heavy... and $17,500 for a 2002 model is a dang good deal.)
 

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owenge is the big boss around here. And if you think it's slow now, man, you should been here about a year ago, when this site was starting to get more hits. We could go weeks without a post. haha (And as for the 90XT, I think it's a better loader than is the 863, even if it is really heavy... and $17,500 for a 2002 model is a dang good deal.)
S250 you are right about the 02" 90XT being a good deal. And I was going to run over and pick it up. But here's the deal. I'll be pulling it with a 7500 lb F350, and my 3k lb 20' slider tilt car trailer has two 5,200 pound axles under her. Yes it would pull it, but I was afraid I would start over loading if I wanted to put a back hoe & other attachments on the trailer at the same time. So a 863 looks like a better way to go. I'm not sure how a case is put together but I like the way Bobcats are set up in the engine & drive train compartments. BTW who do you think makes the easiest 7k lb machine to work on up to 5 years old, and has the least maintenance?
 

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S250 you are right about the 02" 90XT being a good deal. And I was going to run over and pick it up. But here's the deal. I'll be pulling it with a 7500 lb F350, and my 3k lb 20' slider tilt car trailer has two 5,200 pound axles under her. Yes it would pull it, but I was afraid I would start over loading if I wanted to put a back hoe & other attachments on the trailer at the same time. So a 863 looks like a better way to go. I'm not sure how a case is put together but I like the way Bobcats are set up in the engine & drive train compartments. BTW who do you think makes the easiest 7k lb machine to work on up to 5 years old, and has the least maintenance?
No worries, coyote -- there's nothing wrong with going with an 863! You can always move up later. Very silly to buy large if fuel costs or excess weight will slow you down. Not as for making the easiest 7k machine to work on... I honestly believe it's Bobcat. Case's machines aren't bad to service at all, but I think the Bobcat design is far simpler. Cat's design is almost a mirror copy of Bobcat's (many parts relocated, but still same ideas), and while they will claim that theirs is better, I still believe Bobcat's is overall the best (regardless of ROC category). As stuz seems to know more about the workings of skids, though, I'll let him take this one...
 
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