LX865 Update -- still not working

[T man]

I unplugged the wire to the fuel solenoid and immediately got "Err 02" on the EIC with the ignition in the "on" position. Plugged it back in and started the machine, at 2 min idle time the machine shut down and again displayed "Err 02". Next I put the service switch into "service" and the EIC emitted a long beep and displayed "Err 02" as soon as I turned the ignition to "on". Thanks for the suggestions I've already received.

 

[mllud]

The two minut run time doesnt fit into the automatic shut down criteria. sometime must be getting hot. Did you feel the fuel solenoid to see if it was hot after the to minute run? I would see if it starts in service and does the same thing.there are two relays in the fuse box by the engine. they may be getting hot and failing. you may have to feel the solenoid and relays after it shuts down. It wouldt have to be running. turn the key on, go back by the solenoid and wait for a click . The solenoid comes on when you have the key on ,the engine doesnt have to be running.You may have to have someone sitting in the seat.I read you got a continous beep when you switched to service . did you try and start it..I know you need someone that has codes and more knowledge of your loader. These are just what I things I would do. You could take the fuel solenoid out ,put on a workbench and put 12 volts to it and see if it releases after 2 minutes. make sure it dont shoot the spring loaded plunger across the room when it releases. Hope an expert comes on here. Mike

 

[T man]

The two minut run time doesnt fit into the automatic shut down criteria. sometime must be getting hot. Did you feel the fuel solenoid to see if it was hot after the to minute run? I would see if it starts in service and does the same thing.there are two relays in the fuse box by the engine. they may be getting hot and failing. you may have to feel the solenoid and relays after it shuts down. It wouldt have to be running. turn the key on, go back by the solenoid and wait for a click . The solenoid comes on when you have the key on ,the engine doesnt have to be running.You may have to have someone sitting in the seat.I read you got a continous beep when you switched to service . did you try and start it..I know you need someone that has codes and more knowledge of your loader. These are just what I things I would do. You could take the fuel solenoid out ,put on a workbench and put 12 volts to it and see if it releases after 2 minutes. make sure it dont shoot the spring loaded plunger across the room when it releases. Hope an expert comes on here. Mike

Mike, Thanks again for the suggestions. I just replaced the starter relay a few months ago -- it cost me 2 starter rebuilds and 3 starter solenoids before i figured out the starter relay was sticking sporadically. I thought that i was getting bad starter solenoids. It kept the starter engaged even after yanking the key out. One of the times it stuck it even melted down the negative battery post before i could disconnect the battery! Talk about a hard prob to figure out. Oh well, you live you learn. I wonder if i can put a volt meter on the fuel solenoid lead? Nope i did not try to feel of fuel solenoid after it shut down -- I will next time. And also nope on the trying to start it in the "service" position. After it was continually beeping at me and giving the 02 error I was too skeered to go ahead and turn the ignition over. I'll probably be pulling the fuel solenoid soon. Has anyone ever used the new holland 1-800 number for customer service and got any results?

 

[mllud]

Mike, Thanks again for the suggestions. I just replaced the starter relay a few months ago -- it cost me 2 starter rebuilds and 3 starter solenoids before i figured out the starter relay was sticking sporadically. I thought that i was getting bad starter solenoids. It kept the starter engaged even after yanking the key out. One of the times it stuck it even melted down the negative battery post before i could disconnect the battery! Talk about a hard prob to figure out. Oh well, you live you learn. I wonder if i can put a volt meter on the fuel solenoid lead? Nope i did not try to feel of fuel solenoid after it shut down -- I will next time. And also nope on the trying to start it in the "service" position. After it was continually beeping at me and giving the 02 error I was too skeered to go ahead and turn the ignition over. I'll probably be pulling the fuel solenoid soon. Has anyone ever used the new holland 1-800 number for customer service and got any results?

You can put a volt meter to the starter solonoid and check for continuity I dont know what the resistance should be. That may not help because it is working until it gets hot and fails or the system shuts it off. Remember your machine is suppose to shut itself down for loss of oil pressure loss of hydraulic pressure.hydraulic overheat and engine coolant temperature. I read in my book they are made to shut down in 30 seconds .not 2 minutes. I would be cautious that something else is not wrong. when you loose oil pressure,Temp. high,loose hyd. presure and so on. the loader is suppose to shut down. then you are suppose to be able to re-start the machine and it will shut down again in 30 seconds. If it shut down the second time after 30 seconds I would not restart it again until I made sure it wasnt oil pressure, either engine or hydraulic. Could do damage. Im not questioning your f2 code as being fuel solenoid because I dont have that code in my book. I have a lx865 and my book say the fuel solenoid is fo4. They should give all the codes. angers me. the solenoid isnt hard to pull out and bench test.It gets fairly warm in normal operation,but if it gets hot and releases then you know its bad. Mike

 

[mllud]

You can put a volt meter to the starter solonoid and check for continuity I dont know what the resistance should be. That may not help because it is working until it gets hot and fails or the system shuts it off. Remember your machine is suppose to shut itself down for loss of oil pressure loss of hydraulic pressure.hydraulic overheat and engine coolant temperature. I read in my book they are made to shut down in 30 seconds .not 2 minutes. I would be cautious that something else is not wrong. when you loose oil pressure,Temp. high,loose hyd. presure and so on. the loader is suppose to shut down. then you are suppose to be able to re-start the machine and it will shut down again in 30 seconds. If it shut down the second time after 30 seconds I would not restart it again until I made sure it wasnt oil pressure, either engine or hydraulic. Could do damage. Im not questioning your f2 code as being fuel solenoid because I dont have that code in my book. I have a lx865 and my book say the fuel solenoid is fo4. They should give all the codes. angers me. the solenoid isnt hard to pull out and bench test.It gets fairly warm in normal operation,but if it gets hot and releases then you know its bad. Mike

By the way, those starter relays look like theyre made for a lawn mower. If mine goes bad I will replace it with a older ford style relay. I have read sevaral posts here about them sticking. Mike

 

[T man]

By the way, those starter relays look like theyre made for a lawn mower. If mine goes bad I will replace it with a older ford style relay. I have read sevaral posts here about them sticking. Mike

Yep, I wish I had found this forum a long time ago. You could have saved me some $$$. What year model is your 865? I am really surprised to hear your manual says that an 04 error is the fuel solenoid! I give my book to a friend of mine to study the electrical schematic, so I don't have it in front of me now. I know it had codes listed for 01,02,03, and 04. I wonder what err code your machine would give with the solenoid unplugged and the ignition key switched to run?-- mine immediately says "err 02". Tony

 

[T man]

Yep, I wish I had found this forum a long time ago. You could have saved me some $$$. What year model is your 865? I am really surprised to hear your manual says that an 04 error is the fuel solenoid! I give my book to a friend of mine to study the electrical schematic, so I don't have it in front of me now. I know it had codes listed for 01,02,03, and 04. I wonder what err code your machine would give with the solenoid unplugged and the ignition key switched to run?-- mine immediately says "err 02". Tony

I just noticed the codes you refer to start with an f. Have you seen your EIC give an error code? I'm wondering if there could be 2 different models of EIC's on the 865 machines. Mine actually says "Err 02". I don't remember seeing anything in my manual about f codes. Tony

 

[mllud]

I just noticed the codes you refer to start with an f. Have you seen your EIC give an error code? I'm wondering if there could be 2 different models of EIC's on the 865 machines. Mine actually says "Err 02". I don't remember seeing anything in my manual about f codes. Tony

Yes: Its possible there are different setups. I hadnt thought of that. Mike

 

[mllud]

Yes: Its possible there are different setups. I hadnt thought of that. Mike

Tony I no longer have my original dash panel. I was going to have to replace it at 750 dollars. I decided to put gauge in and wired my safety interlocks in series. You can get aftermarket engine protection systems to shut the engine down for oil pressure. and temperature problems. I simplified things. That fancy dash is cool with all thoe functions but, I think its overdone. I run in service mode and have removed the old dash. I have to be in the seat with the belt on before it will start. The bucket and boom cylinder will only work with me in te seat. I left the original wiring in place in case I ever run across a used dash I can still make it original. I use my loader for peronal use and am not on job sites. I believe in the safety interlocks and use them.The machine is simple. They have complicated things a bit.Love Technology. What Ive done wouldnt be good for resale. I intend to keep my machine. It may not be the most desirable machine, but it is gutsy. Mike