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Chris611

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Hey guys, I posted previouse on a thread called "Used Skid Steer." That thread was was about a Gehl 3310 with a 20 HP. I wasn't able to negotiate a mutally agreeable price on that one. I have identified a different unit now. Its a Gehl with a Ford Industrial 27 HP engine. I am wondering how these engines were. I understand they are also in Bobcat skid steers as well. ARe they reliable. Guy says this ones smokes some and may need a good carburator cleaning. Wondered if there were any known problems with these engines? Any other tips would be great as well. Thanks again Chris
 

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If its a ford escort engine like i think it is you can get parts for it easily.
If its blowing smoke it will be worn rings, not the carby. Give it a good run and see what the power is like. If its good, you may be able to live with the smoking. If it was a carby problem it would miss and splutter, not blow smoke unless its over fueling.
The other way is to find what the engine is and see if you can get a second hand runner from an old car.
 

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If its a ford escort engine like i think it is you can get parts for it easily.
If its blowing smoke it will be worn rings, not the carby. Give it a good run and see what the power is like. If its good, you may be able to live with the smoking. If it was a carby problem it would miss and splutter, not blow smoke unless its over fueling.
The other way is to find what the engine is and see if you can get a second hand runner from an old car.
Tazza, thanks for the reply. I re-read my post and I didn't accurately describe the engine problem. According to the seller, it does smoke some, he calls it black fuel smoke and says the engine misses a little. Says it runs like the choke is on. Seems to lead me to think it's carburetor related, but you never know. Do you know if the Ford engine is a SVG-441? I ran across this engine on the internet and it seemed like it was similar to what is in the unit in terms of power and so on. Thanks Chris
 

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Tazza, thanks for the reply. I re-read my post and I didn't accurately describe the engine problem. According to the seller, it does smoke some, he calls it black fuel smoke and says the engine misses a little. Says it runs like the choke is on. Seems to lead me to think it's carburetor related, but you never know. Do you know if the Ford engine is a SVG-441? I ran across this engine on the internet and it seemed like it was similar to what is in the unit in terms of power and so on. Thanks Chris
I'm not sure what model the engine was, my dad seems to think its a 1.6 litre. You can get parts from any automotive parts supplier.
If its black smoke i would agree its fuel related.
 

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I'm not sure what model the engine was, my dad seems to think its a 1.6 litre. You can get parts from any automotive parts supplier.
If its black smoke i would agree its fuel related.
I have a Bobcat 642 (1983 or 84 vintage) which uses a Ford Industrial 1.6 liter engine Model Number 2274E. It is a gas engine with an updraft Zenith carb on it. The carb can be a little tricky to adjust properly, however once properly adjusted, the motor is really solid and runs well. They are great starters/runners, especially when the weather is cold. I have heard rumors that Ford Escort engine blocks are similar and some parts can be swapped. However, I have never tried to swap parts. According to my Bobcat manual, the 1.6L engine is reated for 32 hp. Hope this helps.

Bernie
 

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I have a Bobcat 642 (1983 or 84 vintage) which uses a Ford Industrial 1.6 liter engine Model Number 2274E. It is a gas engine with an updraft Zenith carb on it. The carb can be a little tricky to adjust properly, however once properly adjusted, the motor is really solid and runs well. They are great starters/runners, especially when the weather is cold. I have heard rumors that Ford Escort engine blocks are similar and some parts can be swapped. However, I have never tried to swap parts. According to my Bobcat manual, the 1.6L engine is reated for 32 hp. Hope this helps.

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Hi Guys, I am looking for a rebuild kit for the Zenith on my Gehl and I came across this post, cool to see this site, had no Idea there was a skidsteer forum. Allow me to shed some light on the 1.6L industrial motor that has turned up in these machines. I horse traded a pickup for a 1990 Gehl 4515, "that needed a starter". I had almost nothing in the truck ($35), so I thought it was a safe bet and had recently parted with my OMC 442, so I traded. Get her home and she's locked up tighter than a drum. I pull the motor down, and #1 rod is gernaded off the crank, spun around, cracked the block in half as well as the cam was broke in 3 pieces. No oil in the pan, some moron ran her dry and kept on the throttle till it came apart. Thats where my limited knowledge on this motor spawned from. Having worked in a Ford garage in the 80s, was thinking I knew most of the Ford engine families, I had never seen one of these, so I was baffled as to where it came from. So I started digging... The motor is a left over from the Fiesta (do not confuse with the FESTIVA!) and the Pinto, its called a "Kent" or "Crossflow" 4 cylinder and has absolutely nothing to do with any of the Escort Lnyx Exp LN7 1.6L or 1.9L Engines with maybe the exception that they where made by ford and both have the same displacement and number of cylinders. Also keep in mind the 1.6 and 1.9 motors are overhead cam, the 1.6 "2274" Industrial 4 banger is cam in block! Maybe the bolt pattern on the bellhousing is the same, but that would be where the similiarities would end. My guess is its either German or English. Heres the supply and demand problem, the road track racers run these little motors in there open wheel cars, I think SCCA calls them Formula Fords. I was just looking for a rebuildable core, a block, short block, long block, runner, whatever! It took me 6 months to find a replacement engine for mine, that was within 500 miles of home, finally brought one up from Atlanta to the Chicago area. If you have one of these motors in a machine and turn wrenches, keep an eye out for an old Fiesta, 77-80 was the years they imported them. Not sure what years the pinto offered them as an option. So save yourself some time, and dont go buying Escort parts for you Skid, you will be taking them back. Maybe someone who knows more than I can add or edit my findings? Hope this helps out someone else that trying to figure this out!
 

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Hi Guys, I am looking for a rebuild kit for the Zenith on my Gehl and I came across this post, cool to see this site, had no Idea there was a skidsteer forum. Allow me to shed some light on the 1.6L industrial motor that has turned up in these machines. I horse traded a pickup for a 1990 Gehl 4515, "that needed a starter". I had almost nothing in the truck ($35), so I thought it was a safe bet and had recently parted with my OMC 442, so I traded. Get her home and she's locked up tighter than a drum. I pull the motor down, and #1 rod is gernaded off the crank, spun around, cracked the block in half as well as the cam was broke in 3 pieces. No oil in the pan, some moron ran her dry and kept on the throttle till it came apart. Thats where my limited knowledge on this motor spawned from. Having worked in a Ford garage in the 80s, was thinking I knew most of the Ford engine families, I had never seen one of these, so I was baffled as to where it came from. So I started digging... The motor is a left over from the Fiesta (do not confuse with the FESTIVA!) and the Pinto, its called a "Kent" or "Crossflow" 4 cylinder and has absolutely nothing to do with any of the Escort Lnyx Exp LN7 1.6L or 1.9L Engines with maybe the exception that they where made by ford and both have the same displacement and number of cylinders. Also keep in mind the 1.6 and 1.9 motors are overhead cam, the 1.6 "2274" Industrial 4 banger is cam in block! Maybe the bolt pattern on the bellhousing is the same, but that would be where the similiarities would end. My guess is its either German or English. Heres the supply and demand problem, the road track racers run these little motors in there open wheel cars, I think SCCA calls them Formula Fords. I was just looking for a rebuildable core, a block, short block, long block, runner, whatever! It took me 6 months to find a replacement engine for mine, that was within 500 miles of home, finally brought one up from Atlanta to the Chicago area. If you have one of these motors in a machine and turn wrenches, keep an eye out for an old Fiesta, 77-80 was the years they imported them. Not sure what years the pinto offered them as an option. So save yourself some time, and dont go buying Escort parts for you Skid, you will be taking them back. Maybe someone who knows more than I can add or edit my findings? Hope this helps out someone else that trying to figure this out!
Some people should never be let near machinery..... Always keep an eye on your fluid levels and it saves so much grief. Some tradesmen just run the snot out of their machines and when it dies they just trade it.
I'm glad you managed to source an engine. Shame it too so long!!!
I take it that the machine is now running well?
 

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Some people should never be let near machinery..... Always keep an eye on your fluid levels and it saves so much grief. Some tradesmen just run the snot out of their machines and when it dies they just trade it.
I'm glad you managed to source an engine. Shame it too so long!!!
I take it that the machine is now running well?
Hi Tazza, no its not running yet, Im still waiting on parts to show up, I bought a running industrial version of the 1.6L, same as came out, but Im resealing it, timing chain, water pump, fuel pump, distributor, still looking for a carb kit. Dont want to have to work on it, once I set it in there. The motor came out of a factory floor sweeper, which was propane, so I need to freshen my carb. Im in the auto parts / repair business and use a skid steer as a fork lift, general moving tool, I dont do much dirt work with it. I buy cars and trucks that dont run, fix them or break them, and the skid steer makes for a great all-terrain fork lift for moving motors, transmission, crates of parts off trucks, and so on. Ive got forks I need to attach to a quick plate, and Ive got a spare push bumper off a tow truck Im going to modify also. Had the same set up on my last skid, which was a Mustang 442. I had a cash offer for that machine that was twice what I paid it, so it left, and I started looking for another. Im guessing Ive got several weeks before I can turn the key, work is busy right now so I dont have much spare time on my hands.
 

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I've had a few bad incidents with "smoking" engines and it's usually the rings. I would stay away. My $0.02.
 

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I've had a few bad incidents with "smoking" engines and it's usually the rings. I would stay away. My $0.02.
I'd like to see some pictures of the belhousing of these kent engines to compare them with the sae series of the diesels.
It just seems to me that if the gas engine is hard to find and needs rebuilt.
New diesel engine can be had for $3000, if your putting 1/2 to 2/3 of that into a gas engine, I'd be seriously considering a diesel.
The new ones start good with glow plugs and modern arctic oils, are quiet and fuel efficient. The only snag may be if the governed rpm of the gas is much different from the 3000 rpm max the diesels run.
Ken
 

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I'd like to see some pictures of the belhousing of these kent engines to compare them with the sae series of the diesels.
It just seems to me that if the gas engine is hard to find and needs rebuilt.
New diesel engine can be had for $3000, if your putting 1/2 to 2/3 of that into a gas engine, I'd be seriously considering a diesel.
The new ones start good with glow plugs and modern arctic oils, are quiet and fuel efficient. The only snag may be if the governed rpm of the gas is much different from the 3000 rpm max the diesels run.
Ken
I have that engine in a 632, at first was a cold blooded thing till I discovered the choke was not closing right. The vacuum advance on the dist was shot and I could not get one through napa auto parts so I went to a junk yard. They did not have one but I saw a dist from a volkswagen jetta lying there, looked the same so I bought it took it apart and it is exactly the same vacuum advance. If all of the parts are that hard to find I'd have to agree that it would be better to convert to diesel. If you get a $3000 diesel, is that u.s or Canadian funds? That would be about 30 hp water cooled right? Mine is running good now but you never know.
 
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