bobcat 843b cracked gear pump

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scottsbws

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This past winter I was using my machine and the gear pump cracked leaking milky hydrolic fluid. The thought was that water mixed with the fluid froze and caused the crack. I recently replaced the pump and within 5 minutes of testing the machine...the new gear pump cracked again. Any thoughts
 

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My question is why did the last pump last for years and the new pump for 5 minutes. Would the relief valve be faulty and that is what caused the first problem.
Did you deadhead the system before it cracked? Pumps don't really make pressure, they withstand pressure. When the system is at rest and oil is simply making a loop, there is little pressure in the system. Deadhead the system and you get a pressure spike right back to the outlet of the pump. That little squeal you here is the relief vavle opening and bleeding off excess pressure to stay with in system operating ranges. Too high of pressure is very hard on the pump. When you look at a worn gear pump, you see the wear is on the inlet side. That is because under high pressure, the gears defect back against the housing. The milky fluid and the thought the pump froze may have been a red herring. The relief vavle may off stuck close giving you extreme system pressure until the pump could no longer take it. I once had a T190 that needed a new pump. Installed and check relief, over 5,000 psi, spec is 3,300. That quickly explained the first pumps failure.
 
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Did you deadhead the system before it cracked? Pumps don't really make pressure, they withstand pressure. When the system is at rest and oil is simply making a loop, there is little pressure in the system. Deadhead the system and you get a pressure spike right back to the outlet of the pump. That little squeal you here is the relief vavle opening and bleeding off excess pressure to stay with in system operating ranges. Too high of pressure is very hard on the pump. When you look at a worn gear pump, you see the wear is on the inlet side. That is because under high pressure, the gears defect back against the housing. The milky fluid and the thought the pump froze may have been a red herring. The relief vavle may off stuck close giving you extreme system pressure until the pump could no longer take it. I once had a T190 that needed a new pump. Installed and check relief, over 5,000 psi, spec is 3,300. That quickly explained the first pumps failure.
Yes....pump didn't crack until we started to use the bucket. So if I reinstall a pump....I will not risk cracking another pump as long as I don't move it? Then I can check pressure to be sure it is within range? I'm also wondering if fluid is milky due to air and not water. We replaced so much fluid....actually removed tank to fix a fitting....that I can't imagine there would be much water left.
 
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Yes....pump didn't crack until we started to use the bucket. So if I reinstall a pump....I will not risk cracking another pump as long as I don't move it? Then I can check pressure to be sure it is within range? I'm also wondering if fluid is milky due to air and not water. We replaced so much fluid....actually removed tank to fix a fitting....that I can't imagine there would be much water left.
Does anyone know where the hydrolic relief valve is on an 843b?
 

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