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jklingel is not online. Last active: 6/9/2012 10:46:01 AM jklingel
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hourly rates?
Posted: 02/12/2008 10:03 PM
Just curious what people are charging, by the hour, and in what area of the country, for a large-frame skid steer doing general "dirt work". Thanks. john
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/08/2008 09:28 AM
Good question. I hope you get some responces. I try to charge $85/hr for any combination of 853/11'backhoe/forks/4t dumptruck. Less than 7 hrs. need one extra hr for move. Need to go to at least $95, but now's not the right time, IMO. That's in Charlotte NC
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/08/2008 12:44 PM
I offer by the job ???, by the hour $65 or by the day $475. Of course with the current economy, I'm negotiable
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/08/2008 03:04 PM
By the job has a lot of advantages. Unfortunately, I do not know "unit pricing" or, for example how much per foot for footings say 16" deep? I do spread dirt per load, usually try to figure $200 per tri axle load (17 ton).
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/08/2008 08:10 PM
Thanks, so far. Yes, I hope to get more info from others, too. Up here you can rent a Bobcat for $250/24 hrs, w/ a max of 8 hrs on the meter (plus a $35 delivery fee). I figured an operator must be getting $20/hr , so a contractor would have $285 in the 'cat, then $160 for the operator, giving $445/day, or $55/hr. I don't think I want to undercut that, or maybe even compete w/ it. A person isn't going to get rich at $55/hr day in and day out.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/09/2008 08:21 AM
I'm new to the business and have tried bidding work out at $65 and have not gotten it, lowered it to $55 and I'm getting some work. This is just thru a local Craigslist ad. Most of the other guys are advertising on there anywhere from $45-65 and hour for skid steer work, $65-95 and hour for small dozer work.This is in Austin Tx, new housing starts have slowed but have not come to a stop and the local economy is better than most.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/09/2008 02:51 PM
I charge $55/hour plus $75 setup&delivery. Things are still slow here. The jobs I didn't get where not due to cost but rather logistics / not being available. I never had anybody gripe about cost. I am on Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/09/2008 03:19 PM
I forgot to mention, my advertised rates are for within 20 miles. Fuel, wear and tear added for more than 20 miles.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/09/2008 03:26 PM

Depending on the size of the job, a fella once told me it's better to buy a piece of equipment, do the work then sell it. He was right, I bought a small 12 ac. farm and wanted to clear 5 ac.. I bought an older international dozer that needed some work, fixed it, cleared the five acres and sold it for more than I paid.  

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/09/2008 05:14 PM
•• $55/hr in Canada? Nobody BETTER complain; that is pretty cheap, as last I heard, your fuel price is still way above ours. Don't worry: George W is working on that. •• Yes, sometimes a person can buy a machine, do the work, and resell it. I am hoping to do just that w/ my old loader. I hate to even let anyone demo it, though, for fear of it breaking somewhere! That way is always a gamble that a lot of people won't take (thankfully).
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/10/2008 06:10 AM
I often hear homeowners quote a lowball price for a rental and they say "I'll just rent one". Rather than explain, I usually encourge them to do so replying "The're fun and easy to operate". I just called United Rentals. To rent a minimal S-175 is only $185 a day...this is the price people like to use. Here's the rest of the story... $185 S-175 $ 85 deliver $ 85 p/u $ 25 ins/damage waiver (500 ded) $ 26 sales tax (7%) Fuel ? Total for 1 day over $406.00 again for small machine. Don't let potential customers BS you on the rental deal.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/10/2008 06:41 AM
Theres something else that rental doesnt come with. An experienced operator.I own a skid steer , but before I did,I paid for getting my work done. There has never been a time that I didnt feel I got my moneys worth.The ocasional renter will spend half the first day getting comfortable with the controls. and still wont come close to getting his moneys worth.The hourly rate in my area is about 70.00 dollars an hour.  Mike
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/11/2008 10:15 PM
Bubba: Food for thought. I was told $250/day, "any loader", max of 8 hrs on the meter, BY the rental agency. I did not inquire about these "add ons" you mentioned. Surely there must at least be some kind of insurance cost. I'll probe more. In the meantime, I sure am not working up here for $45/hr; not intentionally, anyway.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 03/15/2008 04:48 PM
The insurance is the $26 (waiver/ins) add on. Usually ins is around 15% of rental price. amen on the "working for $45/hr...not intentionally" I've done it but as we say in the South, "I didn't set out to..."
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 07/02/2008 04:52 PM
It depends on your market...

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 07/03/2008 04:09 PM

Some guy is advertising on the local craigslist, he will rent his 753 with bucket for $100 per day or $500 a week. Heck! if I had a long job I'd rent his........

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too good
Posted: 07/03/2008 10:53 PM
Something smells here. Either he is desperate for short-term money, or he knows something I don't. No way in h*ll would I rent my machine, let alone for $100 a day. Rental anything gets pretty well abused, in my limited experience watching people w/ rental equipment. That said, if it was my neighbor's machine and he happened to be on vacation...
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 10/24/2010 05:20 PM
I charge $ 65.00 per hour flat in B.C. interier; I feel that a good deal for an a300

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 10/25/2010 07:19 AM

We are $75 to $100 for most general skidsteer work. (higher for stump grinding and severe service work) There will always be someone who can maybe do it for less. Chances are they don't come with the arsenal of attachments and maybe the experience to do the best job. I don't try to compete with a low price, most customers can be sold quality. If  they can't pay what I'm worth, then I may as well stay home.

Always trying to beat the last lowest price you were told will only result in everyone working for nothing.

I try to bid most work by the job, and keep my rates to myself. The customers ultimately just want the total cost anyway, no point in giving them a number to compare too.

We are in northern Ontario

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 10/25/2010 07:09 PM
I get $65/hr for mowing brush and chewing up slash. No minimum, and $50 bucks for travel each way. Not enough to pay off the machines, pay me, and fix the machines. Next year, it will be $85. I only mow for neighbors on our 17,000 acre subdivision, but I still have to buy $900 worth of liability insurance each year. I can see that wear and tear on my T180's tracks and undercarriage are pushing me to get more per hr. Others here have highflow machines with Fecon or bullhog mulching heads, and get $130 to 165/hr. Smiley ---RC

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 10/29/2010 01:50 PM
I've settled on a flat rate, round trip, of $60/hr. That is cheap, but I am only a part-time guy and my main concern is getting my machine sort-of paid for. Several folks appreciate what they are getting, and have generously tipped. I've really been too busy working on my own property/projects to advertise much, but word of mouth seems to be getting around. I think next year I'll have to charge $65; that is what my neighbor charges for a smaller machine. He is much more in business, too; mostly running his cat and dump truck. I don't know what the full-time guys charge, but they are not eating well if they only charge $60.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 11/21/2010 06:55 PM
Lets do some math here...If you buy a new track loader and say it cost $50,000...lets say it's life expectancy is around 4000 hours(before you get another new one). If fuel averages $3 per gallon and you burn 3 gal/hour thats $9 per hour or $36,000 for the life of the machine just for fuel. I'll say that over the life of the machine it will cost another $25,000 in maintenance costs ( this includes 16 oil changes, 4 sets of tracks, a new under carriage, and other misc. things. NO MAJOR REPAIRS). Already I come up with $27.75 just to run the machine. Now add a truck and trailer. Lets say a if you get a decent truck thats going to haul the machine around for the 4000 hour life of the machine it's going to cost $30,000 at a minimum. A decent trailer will cost another $4500. Add fuel and maintenance for the truck and trailer...lets say $25,000 (fuel for 4 years @ $5000/year, set of tires for tuck and trailer, and oil changes). Now we get to insurance. I know what mine costs and I think I might be low by saying $3000/year. So if you run 1000 hours/year for 4 years your costs would be.......drum roll please.....$182,500. So that puts you at almost $46/hour machine time. Are you still going to charge $60 per hour? That leaves you with $14/hour profit. If you work an 8 hour day you made $112 per day....thats not going to make my house payment or put my kid through school. I think to make a decent living with a track loader you need to be charging $80+ per hour. Even at $80/hour thats only $34000 a year if you work 1000 billable hours.

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 11/21/2010 07:39 PM
My only comments would be: (1) sounds reasonable, but perhaps a tad generous? (2) You should also look at investing (safely) the $50K instead of spending it on a machine. That could easily be another $3K/yr out the door. (3) You won't be throwing the machine away after 4000 hrs, either. It will be worth something. All that said, you won't be in the Bill Gates Club after 4, or even 40, yrs; roger that.
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 11/22/2010 05:26 AM
I have been in this business for 12 years now and the numbers I gave are probably LOW compared to my books. I guess when you say investing you are talking about financing the equipment? I do more than just skidsteer work. My loaders are more of a tool for what I do (landscaping) and they really just allow me to do more work in less time with less back breaking labor. Some people do scoff at the price I charge vs. the time I am on the job but they really have no idea of the costs involved to get the job done in a minimum amount of time. I am eating every day but I am not eating steak every day. By no means am I rich

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 11/22/2010 10:59 AM
By "(2) You should also look at investing (safely) the $50K instead of spending it on a machine. That could easily be another $3K/yr out the door", I was referring to investing the $50K in relative safe investments and getting a day job working for someone else. Sometimes people forget about that little issue of letting their money work for them, instead of just them working for them. If you have $100K stuck into equipment (or, worse yet, borrowed) you have to earn your first (approx) $6K just to be where you would have been if you had put the money into a safe investment. That may mean your first two months of work, which is depressing. I had to laugh when a tech showed up at a friend's house to tune/clean his boiler. He had a van, a vacuum cleaner and a tool box, and after 1 hour charged $250. So a guy should show up w/ $100K worth of equipment and charge $60-80 for an hour? Hmmm.....
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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 11/22/2010 11:51 AM
This is all good discussion and hopefully more people do their homework before just jumping into the skidsteer business. Right now people will scoff at an $80/hr for skid work because there are so many people doing it cheap or they think they can just rent a loader. Most people don't account for experience. I wish I could charge $250/hr.

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Re: hourly rates?
Posted: 12/04/2010 05:51 AM
I very seldom have anyone ask me my price. They will call and I ALLWAYS ARRRIVE at the job when I'm suppose to and get it done for them. All my advertisement is by pass and present customers spreading the word.  My Base price is $200. min. local area / 2hrs then it goes to a cheaper rate. I may have 2 Bobcats and a dump truck working. I'm operating all 3 for a discount rate per hr.  The main thing if you can't make a good profit on the job. Don't do it.

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